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ATOMOS AtomX SYNC
Photo Moment - May 22, 2020
Adding timecode to your production can greatly simplify syncing multiple cameras, audio recorders, slates, iOS cameras and recorders, and even GoPros on set. The ATOMOS AtomX Sync for the Ninja V brings it all together.
Products Mentioned
- ATOMOS AtomX SYNC
- ATOMOS Ninja V
- ATOMOS UltraSync ONE
- ATOMOS UltraSync BLUE
- ATOMOS Shogun 7
- Panasonic Timecode BNC to PC Cable
- ATOMOS Timecode audio cable (both channels)
- ATOMOS Timecode audio cable (split audio+timecode)
- ATOMOS SyncBac for GoPro
- Zoom F6 Field Recorder
- Zoom BTA-1 Bluetooth Adapter
- MAVIS Pro Camera for iOS
- Apogee MetaRecorder for iOS
- Apogee ClipMic Digital iOS Lightning Microphone
- Movie★Slate8 for iOS
- LTCconvert (audio to timecode)
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Links to everything are on my site http://PhotoJoseph.com/yt/ep510 — What do you think of the new motion graphics??
I`m so obsessed by how crisp your light looks in this setup. Do you mind sharing what kind of modifier you are using and at which distance?
Hey man. I’m using a LOT of lights in this video, but the main light is a Nanlite Forza 300 https://geni.us/25VxtFR and a big-ass softbox with a grid https://geni.us/AlsEVW
Hi, hope my questionnaire not off topic....If I use a zoom F6 recorder as my main sound device, can I use the onboard time sync feature to sync this to the Atomos Shogun 7?
Think it needs a BNC 3,5 Jack. The other things is if I work with 1-4 Cameras (all of them are Sony alpha series 5xxx or 6xxxx) connected by SDI to the Atomos in switching mode, does this cameras also need time code sync?
Think it needs a BNC 3,5 Jack. The other things is if I work with 1-4 Cameras (all of them are Sony alpha series 5xxx or 6xxxx) connected by SDI to the Atomos in switching mode, does this cameras also need time code sync?
Hm, I think you can. I'm pretty sure that the F6 will output timecode, so it's just a matter of the right cabling.
@PhotoJosephI am sure it should work with the right cable....but didn’t find such a cable...probably in case that the Atomos Shogun 7 uses LTC on the sync input...I saw it works with the zoom f8 (on both side BNC). Does the f8 using a different sync standard then F6? Would be really great to find a solution...would it work with the Ultrasync one?
@Theodor Machnich what is the F6 LTC output? If it’s 3.5mm then Atomos makes a 3.5mm to BNC for this purpose
@PhotoJoseph Thank you Joseph, it's 3.5mm output...I got a BNC to 3.5 cable but it's not working...the output is TS so I got a TS cable...maybe the zoom is not deliver LTC.
There is a lot of good information here, but does it genlock over the ninva v hdmi out?
Genlock infers multiple video devices locked in sync. What are you trying go achieve?
@PhotoJoseph Ideally sync over hdmi from the ninja v to sync with a PC.
@PhotoJoseph thanks for the response!
Are you talking about syncing audio and video? That’s synced from the camera. If you’re talking about realtime view, all video over HDMI is delayed slightly. I don’t know what you’re asking though. And if you’re outputting from the camera to a Ninja, what is the PC doing?
@PhotoJoseph The Ninja V is for recording. The PC needs sync for tracking devices and real time frame rendering. A slight delay isn't a problem, I just need to sync camera 3d position and frame render to the HDMI source.
Hi Joseph, I have a Ninja V with the sync module that is connected to my Zoom F6 via Bluetooth. I also have 2 TentacleSync e units. Unfortunately the Tentacle sync is not something I can use with the directly with the Atomos Ninja V and the sync unit, because they use different Bluetooth protocols. And Atomos is of course not interested to implement a competitor tc sync system after they acquired Time code systems.
But I have learned that I could jam the timecode from the Zoom f6 into the Tentacle Sync e through a special cable. The cable that I have bought is the TENTACLE BODYPACK Y-ADAPTER CABLE. But as it has 3 ends not sure what ends to connect to the Zoomf6 and the Tentacle sync.
The thing I want to achieve is to use Both the Ninja V master TC into the F6 and then jam the TC from the f6 into the Tentacle Sync units.
Any experience with these devices?
But I have learned that I could jam the timecode from the Zoom f6 into the Tentacle Sync e through a special cable. The cable that I have bought is the TENTACLE BODYPACK Y-ADAPTER CABLE. But as it has 3 ends not sure what ends to connect to the Zoomf6 and the Tentacle sync.
The thing I want to achieve is to use Both the Ninja V master TC into the F6 and then jam the TC from the f6 into the Tentacle Sync units.
Any experience with these devices?
I don’t, sorry… I’ve only used the ATOMOS ones!
Very informative video! I have a GH5, 2 GH5s and 2 Ninja V recorders. So do I need an AtomX sync device on each Ninja V? I'm a bit unsure about what I should get. could you please help?
Very instructive and useful thank you. Now, can you please do it again where the synchronization devices and software are not more expensive than my cameras and audio recorder?
Sorry man! Time sync hardware isn’t cheap.
@PhotoJoseph It actually is! But you have analyze what you need!
May you show me how to synx atom x with zoom f6? I tried many times, but they didnot see each others
It sometimes takes a few tries. Make sure the Zoom has latest firmware. Reset the Bluetooth list and try again.
Thanks Joe, that is very interesting...but my question is if it is posible to sync the time of the camera with the one of an Android or Apple phone, pleae take the time to answer this question as I wat to avoid having to make more and more investment in equipment...thanks a lot for your always great videos.
LUMIX cameras can be synced to time-of-day with an iPhone or android device. However if they will be perfectly frame accurate to each-other is another question, and I'd say "no". Also once you sync a camera, it is relying on its internal clock which is not as accurate as a quartz crystal so even if you managed perfect sync, it would drift. If "close to right" is good enough, then yes. If frame accurate is what you need, then you need actual timecode sync hardware.
Hai Joseph, i want to ask about live streaming with GH5 plus with on fly internal recording, is it possible ? and will the camera overheat quickly ? about 3 hour live streaming max. thank you.
The GH5 can simultaneously record internally while outputting clean HDMI. And unless you stick the thing in the Dubai desert in the open sun, it'll never overheat (and even then, it might not). It's a LUMIX… not a Canon ;-) Peter Gregg did a great test a while ago, check it out https://youtu.be/cnCnbFzmsqQ
Is it possible to get ATOMOS and a RED Epic Dragon DSMC1 to sync. My audio recently stopped working so my process it to record to the RED MiniMag as well as a ninja v
Thank you for your video. Do you know how the atomX SYNC can be set to run as a slave with an UltraSync One as master? I do not get that configuration to work.
yeah it definitely can. Shouldn't be anything more to it than setting the SYNC into slave mode and ensuring they are on the same channel and region. If you can't get it working, reach out to ATOMOS support for help with that.
For the life of me, I cannot get the Zoom F6 to pair with the Atoms in he Sync Config. I select pair on the Atomos screen, and connect on the Zoom and it it never finds the Atomos. Wondering if there is a specific firmware version that this works with?
If you’ve had your Zoom for a while, then yes, it’s likely that it needs a firmware update. Also, I’m assuming you have the Bluetooth adapter on the Zoom, right? Check their website for firmware updates.
PhotoJoseph I had the latest firmware on the Zoom and the BT adapter. What I did to fix it was factory reset the Zoom and then I was able to get it to pair.
Oh great! Thanks for sharing; I’ll remember that if I hear of any other issues.
Zoom F8n users--read this to connect your Zoom F8n to the AtomX Sync. It isn't in the Bluetooth menu like the F6.
https://www.zoom.co.jp/sites/default/files/products/downloads/pdfs/E_F8n_Connecting_with_BLUE.pdf
Make sure you upgrade the firmware on the F8n for Bluetooth.
https://www.zoom.co.jp/sites/default/files/products/downloads/pdfs/E_F8n_Connecting_with_BLUE.pdf
Make sure you upgrade the firmware on the F8n for Bluetooth.
Hey Joseph again thank you great video, watching this video made me order 2 Ninja V's with Atomx Sync extension. is it possible to sync Ninja V with Blackmagic pocket Cinema 4k or 6k through Bluetooth ? I have two a7iii's and 2 bmpcc4ks I was wondering if I could sync them with bluetooth... Thanks
if you mean by using the BMPCC built-in bluetooth, no, not that I'm aware of. Does the BMPCC do bluetooth timecode sync between cameras? If so that's actually really cool. But even if it does, keep in mind that it won't be super accurate, because the camera doesn't have a crystal in it. To keep the time code super accurate, you need an external box connected at all times.
sorry I did not understand one thing, the AtomX Sync must have it in both ninjas? or is it enough to put one on a ninja and the others connect to it?
Both Ninjas. Every device needs to have a Sync device, and any one of them can be the master. The Ninja V is small and doesn’t have a BNC Timecode input like the Shogun does, so this is a way to add it. Plus by using the Ninja V as the master, you control all your options on a big screen, not on the tiny screen that’s on the little Sync devices. For Timecode to truly be accurate, every device needs a dedicated timecode controller. The GH5S in this demo is the odd-man-out. Because it just reads the timecode once, it will drift, as explained in the video. I’ve since discovered that the S1H reads it continuously, which is awesome.
@PhotoJoseph grazie per il chiarimento
Does the Atomx sync work with the ninja inferno too? If not what would be the best solution with the inferno and a gh5? Thanks :)
The AtomX Sync is, as far as I know, ONLY compatible with the Ninja V. But the all have the same battery mount so it’s worth asking ATOMOS if that’s something that could be added. I don’t know. If the Inferno has a timecode input like the Shogun, then you can just connect an UltraSync ONE to it, but I don’t believe that it does. If not, then unfortunately the GH5 doesn’t have timecode input, so your only option would be an UltraSync ONE and the timecode-on-audio solution.
Just to clarify -- does this require the Atomos recorder, or could you use this to timecode sync cameras recording internally? Looks like the recorder is required to adjust settings.
Settings can be adjusted on any of the timecode devices. Any device can be a master or a slave.
I totally get it and would love to use it but it is so expensive for an amateur videographer, I use a Ninja and a GH5 along with a G80 and often a couple of GoPro’s along with audio recorded on a Tascam DR60, now I have today spent at least 45 minutes lining up all the tracks before I could start to edit, but I cannot afford to spend what would amount to the best part of a grand on the various devices needed.
We need a cheaper alternative before this becomes anything but a professional level tool.
We need a cheaper alternative before this becomes anything but a professional level tool.
It is a professional tool. The cheaper alternative is audio+manually syncing as you’ve done.
Thanks for the very useful informations ✅👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Can I sync the Zoom F8n to the Atomos Sync without using a Blue or USO?
I see how easy the F6 is, but the F8n only has a Bluetooth option for the control unit.
I see how easy the F6 is, but the F8n only has a Bluetooth option for the control unit.
You’ll have to look that one up, or ask Zoom. I don’t have a list of Zoom compatible units, sorry
Never seen someone digging in so deep on YouTube. Thanks for that! You're a legend.
Thanks for that. To be fair, it’s only because ATOMOS sponsored this that I was able to justify going so deep. This took a long time to put together as you might imagine, and I wouldn’t have been able to justify doing that for the ad revenue alone on a topic this arcane! So a huge thank you to ATOMOS for wanting this video for their own use and paying me to make it!
Informative, and crystal clear. I did not know this gear existed. Even though not free, the gear is truly useful. Seems to work well together.
That it does! I know this isn’t for everyone but it’s a really great solution.
Will the AtomX Sync also work for multicam live things? Let's say you have cameras with different HDMI delay, could it sync them all up so the output of each Ninja V is synced? Or is this just for actual recordings?
In my case, I have 4 different cameras, each with a Ninja V... I have an Sony FS700 that has about 3-4 frames more delay than the others, so it's useless for live use. Could the AtomX Sync solve this issue?
In my case, I have 4 different cameras, each with a Ninja V... I have an Sony FS700 that has about 3-4 frames more delay than the others, so it's useless for live use. Could the AtomX Sync solve this issue?
ah, clever thinking, but no, unfortunately. The devices can’t shift the video / audio, they just shift the timecode so it all lines up in post. So for example, if you have audio in realtime, and a camera that’s 6 frames delayed, then if you looked at the timecode on the devices while recording, they would be 6 frames apart. That way when brought into the NLE, the all line up properly.
@PhotoJoseph that's what I thought. Bummer! Thanks for the clarification!
Is there a way to do this with the ATEM Mini Pro being the master? This way, I won't have to look into Blackmagic specific cameras? I'd especially love to get this working with a GoPro (with automatic record when the "Record" command is sent from the ATEM Mini Pro to the cameras, since a refresh of the micro cinema camera - with the Mini Pro direct support - is looking extremely unlikely), since that would make for a great aerial kind of shot.
This doesn’t integrate into live production, other than you could record ISOs of your live show and ensure they were in sync for post. I’m not sure what you’re trying to do. The timecode offset doesn’t shift the video/audio; it shifts the timecode embedded in it so they line up in post.
@PhotoJoseph How would your answer change now with the intro of the ATEM Mini Pro ISO? For instance, you have 4K cameras that aren’t BMD’s and you want to drop the recordings into the POST Resolve project and be synced up. (I’m thinking iPhone but I know that will depend on Filmic adding Timecode or Mavis adding clean HDMI out).
Very, very good explanation! Thank you so much 🙏
You’re welcome and thanks for watching!
Well explained! Clear communication. Surely a convincing approach for securing timecode across multiple devices going into post. #Salute
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