Color Filters for Black & White Photography ► Bringing Back the Old Basics (PLUS: Contest Info)
Photo Moment - February 08, 2018
Black and White used to dominate the photography world back in the days of film and darkrooms. These days, we can switch back and forth between the settings, but are you getting the most out of your B&W shots? You might want to take a look at what these B&W color filters from K&F Concept could do.
To participate in the contest, create a SINGLE JPEG with your non-filtered B&W image on the left or top, and the color-filtered photo on the right or bottom, and post that to facebook.com/photojoseph (you can’t actually add to an album like I said in the video). Tell all your friends and in a few weeks we’ll count the likes!
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Using optical color filters with monochorme FILM is quite legitimate, but there can be a problem using optical filters with digital that you didn't investigate. That is, the digital sensor consists of a color mosaic with green having half the total pixels and red and blue each having one quarter the total pixels. Therefore, if you use a deep blue or red optical filter, your resolution is reduced by a factor of two in each direction. If you use a digital camera without an optical filter, the demosaicing algorithm mixes the detail of all three channels into the others. You then have (nearly) full detail in any color you choose, and you can make that choice by using Photoshop math calculations to select (fort example) pure red; or orange consisting of full red and and some green; or yellow (red + green); or pure blue and still have full details in all these cases.
Interesting how satellite imagery is just fancy photography. The sensors on satellites are designed to render information in different bands, and you can combine them in a special program to create a color image, usually just for educational purposes. The real cool and useful satellite images are black and white in very specific wave lenghts.
I bet you could learn remote sensing in an afternoon with your existing photography knowledge. Btw, it pays well 👀
I bet you could learn remote sensing in an afternoon with your existing photography knowledge. Btw, it pays well 👀
I was JUST gonna say that ;) That's true though. Camera companies know that you the consumer are going to value photographs of people and landscapes and water much more than, say, dirt. So they tune their sensors for your satisfaction. Pure black and white requires monochrome film.
I know I am six years too late but I thought the green filter looked best.
One thing you should of explored in the video is stacking the filters like yellow orange for diffrent filters
Too much talking
Not getting to the point
Thanks
Not getting to the point
Thanks
I do what I can. I'm only human.
Great explanation and examples - thank you! 🙏
Don’t buy cheap filters. They may not screw on and off easily.
RS. Canada
RS. Canada
Honestly, I kind of like the way the colored pictures look like just a filter it gives a need affect
There is also the particular issue where using an rggb sensor might make a pure red or blue filter cause a loss of perceived resolution because it's only really activating 25% of the pixels.
@@Rwdphotos yes but I'm trying to understand this assertion that there is a "loss of perceived resolution" as every pixel still has a value, what causes this loss?
@ yah, individual photosites have filters on them that dedicate them to specific colors, otherwise there would be mo way of knowing which color is getting more intensity. There are also individual color channels, and the green channel has twice the raw information to build its data from. It’s always cleaner and more accurate to build a color mask with bc of that.
I question your thinking on this, are pixels specifically r,g or b? Or are pixels made up of photosites which are how the rgb value is applied to that pixel ( at least with a bayer array) and demosaicing does its thing. Each pixel still has a value not only 25%, how does this equate to a loss of resolution?
I learned a lot from this. Thank you!!
Can filters work on digital camera or dose thr electronic camera settings just work around the filters on the sdr camera !
@@photojoseph I'll go back and watch it again. It's hard to say what I was doing. meds for a injury .
Thank getting back to me.
Thank getting back to me.
Did you watch the video? It answers that question pretty definitively
Interesting video. For us Filmophiles it might be a good idea to take along a small digicam that has manual white balance and B&W display capability to test the effects on a particular scene before shooting the real deal.
Actually the blue was the best
Your face looks like david bowie oml
your vibe is sooooo daaaaaaamn positive
keep goin' boss
keep goin' boss
i dont like orange and red as they remove all the details on the skin, as if the face been photoshopped... the blue actually looks ok to me...
Different colors for different subjects!
Youtube auto play landed me on this speaker. Big turn off this guy talk so fast
hi Joseph, thank you for the video. I am using Lumix G9. I think I still have a couple of questions to ask.
1- monocraom is "natural" B&W?
2- Color and monochrome should not be in the same body? Pure monochrome is better when it comes to B&W photography because of color interpolation?
3- Is there color interpolation with Lumix G9 when taking in B&W?
Comment: Unfortunately many camera companies are driven by money and populistic policy. They don't want to understand photography as an art form. they put everything in one body, color monochrome, video, and photography.
As far as I know, only Leica is aware of that subject, and Leica is not a technology-leading company and is unreasonably expensive.
Maybe we should encourage HASSELBLAD to create a monochrome line in medium format.
thanks.
1- monocraom is "natural" B&W?
2- Color and monochrome should not be in the same body? Pure monochrome is better when it comes to B&W photography because of color interpolation?
3- Is there color interpolation with Lumix G9 when taking in B&W?
Comment: Unfortunately many camera companies are driven by money and populistic policy. They don't want to understand photography as an art form. they put everything in one body, color monochrome, video, and photography.
As far as I know, only Leica is aware of that subject, and Leica is not a technology-leading company and is unreasonably expensive.
Maybe we should encourage HASSELBLAD to create a monochrome line in medium format.
thanks.
Is there a filter set for B&W that works with the K&F Concept 100 x 100 filter holder?
Dizzying watching speaker hand shuffles, a fast speaker fast active body gestures just fast. I wonder how he approach long exposure, the calm settling mood. Reminds me of a Las Vegas card dealer hand work
try>set profile to monochrome>jpeg>use filter
yes… but you have missed the point of this exercise.
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Thanks Joseph. You’ve inspired me to experiment 👍👍
Thanks Joseph. You’ve inspired me to experiment 👍👍
Do you think the contest is still open?
Check the date my friend… this was years ago.
Great topic and well explained, thanks.
thanks for a great video :-) just bought an old Topcon film camera and was stoked to find all the color filters go on the "inside" of the lenses and are just tiny (1/3" or so) all of them fit inside the lens holder. looking forward to try them out. Thanks again for a very informative 30 minutes.
wow you look like Bowie!
hey great video! Have ever though of just doing HDR to get wider dynamic range? WIth digital camera this is very vial alternative.
Hey Joseph, could you watch the YKTS music video by Sheck Wes. And tell me if they used a green filter or night-vision mode from a camcorder. I really like the the style of the video, and would like to know what they used thanks. ✨
Some of it is green lighting, and some of it is Infrared camera, and some of it is just color grading. I doubt any of it is a green filter.
Finally, someone that speaks at a reasonable speed.
Haha people usually complain I speak too fast! 😂
Red was definitely the most dramatic in both examples
Nice tutorial. What are the stops of the different colors?
I think one advantage example of how shooting b/w WITH the coloured glass filter vs adding a filter in software is that you don't get the halo effects around certain object such as tree branches which can really spoil the clarity and detail of an image. This mostly happens with large software modifications. Perhaps the best compromise is to not use an actual filter and post process gently for clarity AND the choice of filters in post production. The best quality though would be gained with a glass filter, especially if you have time to shoot multiple shots, changing the filter colour each time as you did.
I think the yellow looked best on the face for a SUBTLE skin smoothing (orange looked too hazy), and the blue or green for a GRITTY look if one is into that!
Cheers for tackling a tricky subject to explain, and your time.
I think the yellow looked best on the face for a SUBTLE skin smoothing (orange looked too hazy), and the blue or green for a GRITTY look if one is into that!
Cheers for tackling a tricky subject to explain, and your time.
Thanks Kevin. I don’t think you should get haloing from adding color filters in software; you’d have to go pretty far to do that. But it’s still a good observation. I’m a fan of doing things in camera when possible!
Great video, very informative. Thank you :-)
dude what about the buit in filters in camera?
The point of this was to learn
Very informative and i liked it..
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Fantastic , thank you, I got a lot of what I need!!!
Link to the step down rings? Didn't see it above (or I'm just really unobservant 😛).
Oops! Here you go: https://geni.us/DB23TG
you should have adjusted the exposure to be the same between images, i think that makes the whole difference as to the clouds appearing or not there. the red filter image is 2 stops under the first one, which is actually a little overexposed. thumbs down
who won the contest? I am assuming its over.
Yes a long time ago. It was announced in another show shortly after.
is there supposed to be a big difference with colored filters? when you also have that black and white filter on it too?
Differences are subtle and localized to individual colors
How does stepping down large filters affect flaring etc?
Should not have any effect. Distance between layers of glass won’t matter as long as light isn’t getting through.
Please condense your endless blah blah blah
I do love reading heartfelt, kind comments. Thank you for sharing your thoughtful insight in such s polite and respectful way. It’s a good thing that there aren’t real people making these videos for you. We’re all just robots.
Hello Joseph, I just found your excellent, attention holding, best explained tutorial on the use of color filters for B&W photography! Although I use a Fujifilm X-T1, a mirror-less camera, which has film simulation modes, I want to see if using color filters will make a difference. Thank you for your expertise and examples! This was the best video on using color filters I have seen. I look forward to using some of your tips!
Best comment ever :-) Thank you!
shame about the patreon begging...put me RIGHT off !
I’m sorry that people wanting to make a living is offensive to you. I guess you work for free and are independently wealthy? Must be nice!
Shoot some Kodak or Ilford classic film in medium format and forget about imitations of film and that beautiful film grain. I don't think it's worth using color filters on my digicams.
Which app is that on the tablet where you swapped the filters on your face?
You would think I’m crazy but I can record in rainbow colors videos make a picture of the lake n trees rainbow colors in still or video, I can at certain light situations record with an iPhone a 2 tons shadow trees. I can do blue red yellow green turquoise purple orange. The outfit I have I had to make myself out of party trays and plates from party city and I cut them out. I use a reduced light and Noir setting to get vivid sky photography cirrus clouds do best. Another color idea for I phone crazy color recordings is get some color cellophane red purple etc and tape a piece over your iPhone camera and record. I admit I did it literally all homestyle. I don’t care about views or subs but just if curious there is much of it on my channel. Photography is a fun hobby and I learned more about black n white from this thanks for the additional info I will take some color vids and experiment with black n white thank you.
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