GH5 Bit Depth Difference Electronic Vs Mechanical Shutter?
Photo Moment - March 01, 2017
Is there a bit depth difference when using electronic or mechanical shutter on LUMIX cameras, specifically on the new GH5?
There are reports online that LUMIX cameras shoot at 12-bit when shooting mechanical shutter, but drop to 10-bit for electronic. Is that true?
PRODUCTS MENTIONED IN TODAY'S PHOTO MOMENT (MANY ARE AFFILIATE LINKS):
Panasonic LUMIX GH5 [B&H - https://bhpho.to/2kQ9LT3 ] [Amazon - http://amzn.to/2lE4X1U ] [Adorama - http://jal.bz/2lNYpQv ]
Panasonic LUMIX GX8 [B&H - https://bhpho.to/2mla7A1 ] [Amazon - http://amzn.to/2lhTKmK ] [Adorama - http://jal.bz/2kUJQLR ]
VIDEOS MENTIONED IN TODAY'S PHOTO MOMENT:
Electronic Shutter and Mechanical Shutter — https://youtu.be/N9_wsdE1hwI
Problem in general is bandwidth. You simply cannot read out the complete sensor at once. You can do it faster and faster (and at one point you are fast enough that rolling shutter poses no problem in normally occurring situations anymore) but a whole sensor at once is nearly impossible. What basically would be needed is a memory cell directly attached to the sensor - one for every pixel - that constantly collects what the sensor is picking up for a specified exposure time. This "collection"-mode must be able to be switched on and off instantaneously - this would be our shutter. After the exposure is finished the memory cells then can be read out line by line. And all that without producing too much temperature...(while also having to deal with a thicker sensor that will handle heat much worse) So something similar to a CCD.
Once the Megapixel wars finally stop we can maybe measurably speed up readout times. But up until then each advance in read out speed is instantly eaten up by more Megapixels. Since full frame is already at 50+ Megapixels I fear this war will continue for quite some time. This readout speed will also be the reason for the 10bit/12bit problem this video was actually about that was finally solved with the GX8. Before the GX-8 rolling shutter probably would have been atrocious with 12bit (readout time is obviously about 20% slower with 12bit compared to 10bit - that's something you WILL be able to see).
"On that note, why have a rolling shutter at all? Implementing it, in most cases, seems to only bring doom and gloom to your images over the older global shutter design of CCDs, right? Not so fast. Like basically everything that exists in this world through manufacture, the name of the game is compromise. Generally speaking, if you were to compare two equivalent sensors strictly on performance, one with a global shutter and the other with a rolling shutter, you will likely see that the rolling-shutter sensor will have less noise and a wider dynamic range while generating less heat".
Can GH5 shot raw 6k?
One other plus for electronic shutter is time lapse shooting. Since you don't need the mechanical shutter to accomplish this, you can save the wear and tear associated with thousands of shutter releases.
GH5 user
Is that confirmed by Panasonic ? I read users reports and they claim that we only have 10-bit RAW files from GX80/85 in e/shutter :(( Shame that Panasonic did not publish anything about that !
Pretty sure that's to aid autofocus right before shooting. (More light getting in easier focusing for contrast diff AF)
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4006745
Or, are you speaking of another mode entirely?
I actually caught part of this live - then I got called away...
Works fine...if I need a bit more DR, I switch to mechanical. It's a nice stills cameras even if people usually don't use it that way ;-)
I keep hoping they get strobes working w/ e-shutter...
Some older cameras, like my Nikon D70 had a CCD-sensor. With this sensor, it is possible to set all pixels to open for exposure and after some time to stop gathering photons at the same time. Only after the exposure has stopped for all pixels, the load can be measured pixel by pixel. The D70 used the electronic shutter for all shorter exposures internally. Today CCD-sensors are used in most industrial cameras because they are used to do things like recognize parts on a fast moving production line. You can't have rolling shutter effects in such applications.
CCD-sensors have some disadvantages over today's CMOS-sensors. In the future it might be possible to build sensors that are as good as the CMOS-sensors but have an global shutter that exposes all pixels at the same time.
The flash sync speed is usually the fasted shutter speeds at which the shutter opens completely (e.g. 1/125 of a second) . Only shutter speeds that are slower or equal to the flash sync speed prevent rolling shutter effects completely (using the mechanical shutter).
For examples see: http://www.thedowntowncreative.com/blog/2014/12/23/mechanical-vs-electronic-shutter-high-speed-results
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