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katy's picture
by katy
May 21, 2013 - 3:51am

Does backblaze back up vaults if the vaults are stored on an EHD that backblaze backs up? I spoke with backblaze and was told they only back up the images, not the metadata. How are people backing up their vaults if not by backblaze? Thank you

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by Tom Thomson
May 21, 2013 - 6:24am

Katy, I haven’t moved to cloud storage yet largely because of the long initial upload time requirements. I have three WDC 3TB external hard drives that I use for both TIme Machine backups and Aperture Libraries and Vaults. I keep them in different locations and back up to them whenever I am in one of those locations. I always have Time Machine running automatically to an external HD wherever I happen to be. Finally, I also have two additional 1 TB drives (these things are really cheap). One of them is a portable for taking multiple Aperture Libraries with me when I travel.

Tom Thomson

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by Philip M
May 21, 2013 - 11:27am

Good question! I just moved to Backblaze and had to reconfigure my 2TB ext HD as it would not back up Time Machine back ups. My ext HD has 2 drives in it, so one is TM and the other my Aperture Library. Now Backblaze recognizes that ext drive and I selected it along with my Mac HD for backing up to same. I’m curious if anyone knows the answer. I thought I read that it doesn’t back up metadata, here on AE and that you have to manually tell Aperture to apply it to any or all master photos in your Aperture Library.
Once I’m all backed up on Backblaze, I’ll add the metadata, etc.
With that said, I have 2 separate 1TB drives that contain Aperture Vaults, I did the Backblaze as an additional “safety net.”

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by katy
May 22, 2013 - 5:28am

i just heard back from back blaze. Apparently they do back up vaults. I find this a little confusing as they dont back up metadata associated with images but they told me they do back up aperture vaults

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by Philip M
May 28, 2013 - 1:46am

If I disconnect the ext HD and click on Aperture, no images are on my Mac’s HD. Only on my ext HD that’s connected to my Macbook Pro has the library. 2 separate portable HD’s have my Vaults, etc. I don’t have enough memory on my Mac HD due to the size of my library.

You can have multiple Aperture libraries if you choose. You just have to hold the Option key when you open Aperture. It will ask which library you want to choose.

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by Thomas Emmerich
May 28, 2013 - 10:55am

The library can be located on any attached HD. That includes any internal HD or external HD connected via Firewire, Thunderbolt or USB. But USB 2.0 is not recommended because it will be too slow. USB 3.0 is great but only the newest Macs and external HD have it.

Referenced vs. managed is related to where the image originals (called masters in previous versions of Aperture) are stored. Where the library file is stored doesn’t matter. If the originals are stored inside the library file, they are managed. If they are outside the library, they are referenced.

The default Aperture settings are a managed library stored inside the Pictures folder of the current user named “Aperture Library”.

You can create a search filter inside the browser that will find all referenced images in your library. First select “Photos” from the library pane and then create the filter in the browser.

Thomas

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by katy
May 28, 2013 - 4:11pm

Hi Thomas, For whatever reason i Still cannot create a vault, despite that i bought a new 1 tb ehd expressly for that purpose. frustrated and moving forward i have ordered a drobo 5d and should arrive tomorrow.i am hoping this will solve my problems. I want to do a few things:

1 move all of my original files from their current location on an EHD to the Drobo 5d

2 create several libraries. I currently have 1 massive library and am thinking it may be wiser to create several smaller libraries. Perhaps do it by year(?)

So here are my questions. My fear is in losing the metadata associated with all of my images. Do I have to transfer the aperture library file from its current location on my EHD to the Drobo 5d.? If so, do I move the aperture library file to the drobo first, or do I move the images first.

Basically, I am looking for instruction on how to change the location of an established aperture library without losing any of the metadata.

Thank you for all of your help.

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by Philip M
May 23, 2013 - 11:45pm

Thanks for the info. I am waiting for their customer support to confirm that my Aperture Library is being backed up. My Mac HD is 95% done and will hopefully be finished uploading to Backblaze today.

Now that we know the vaults can be backed up there, I will plug in one of my ext HD’s that has the vault and back that up as well, etc.

I guess you’ll have to add the metadata to each image, etc.

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by John Waugh
May 24, 2013 - 12:17am

My understanding is that any external drive that has not been accessed for 30 days or more will be deleted from Backblaze.

John Waugh, Photographic Images • Apple Certified Trainer• Sport Action Lifestyle Photography

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by Thomas Emmerich
May 25, 2013 - 6:08am

Katy,

I’ve been using Backblaze for a couple of years now. I don’t understand the statement about not backing up metadata. The metadata in Aperture is stored in special files inside the library package. I just checked my Backblaze backup online and it contains every single file that is inside my library file on my local drive. There must be a disconnect somewhere between what you asked Backblaze and their answer.

I’m wondering why you want to backup a vault in the first place. The vault itself is only a backup of your library. And it is only as up to date as the last time you manually told Aperture to update it. It would be better to have Backblaze backup the original Aperture library file. Is there a reason you want to backup a backup that I’m not thinking of?

John,

The 30 day counter for an external drive starts counting if you disconnect (or turn off) that drive while Backblaze is connected to the internet. The Backblaze SW notifies the online service that the drive is no longer connected and the timer starts. However, if you turn off your computer so that backups are no longer happening, there is no counter. For example, if you go on a 3 month safari and leave your computer at home turned off, the backup of any external drive will not be deleted.

Thomas

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by katy
May 25, 2013 - 7:09am

Thomas, most likely, I am confused. let me back up. I am confident my images are safely backed up on multiple EHDs and on back blaze. My concern is with all of the metadata i have entered into aperture. I compulsively geo-tag, rate, and use many key words with all of my photos and videos. It has been an EXTREMELY time consuming project which took me about 2 years to complete. I am trying to protect all of that information/metadata. As i understand vaults, if the images are stored in aperture then the images and all metadata are stored in the vaults. if, as in my case, you store the images on an EHD then when you create a vault the metadata is stored in the vault.

So, I then became concerned that there isnt a back up the vault. The only place the vault and all of my metadata are stored is in one spot on an EHD. So I called backblaze and they told me very clearly that they DO NOT back up metadata, only the images. Then I called them back again and asked them if they were familiar with aperture (yes, they were they said) and i asked if backblaze backed up vaults to which they said yes, backblaze did.

So I am a bit confused. I just want t make 100 % sure my metadata is backed up and safe.

Im not understanding what you mean by ” the original aperture library file” Is that, in essence a current vault? How do I back that up. I really just trying to be redundant and compulsive and securely protect my metadata associated with my photos and videos.

I look forward to your thoughts. Katy

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by Thomas Emmerich
May 25, 2013 - 7:40am

Katy,

You may be confusing vaults and libraries. Aperture keeps all of its data in a “library”. Inside the library are database files, previews, thumbnails and other files Aperture uses to keep your images organized. It also contains all the adjustments you make to your images and their metadata.

A vault is a backup copy of your library. A vault will only exist if you ask Aperture to create one. It doesn’t happen automatically. Once you create one, you need to tell Aperture when you want it updated.

Another important concept to keep in mind is referenced vs. managed libraries. A managed library contains all the items I mentioned above plus it contains all your original images. A referenced library does not contain the original images. They are stored outside the library and therefore can be almost anywhere. They could be on an external disk.

Since a vault is only a backup of the library file, if you have a referenced library which doesn’t contain the originals, the original images don’t get backed up by a vault. You need to backup them up separately.

So what Backblaze should be backing up is the library file and, if your originals are referenced, the folder that contains all the originals. By backing up the library file, the metadata gets backed up.

Backblaze backs up files. Metadata is stored in files (inside the library). Therefore the metadata gets backed up. I’m still not sure what the Backblaze rep was thinking when he told you metadata isn’t backed up.

If you want to learn more about how Aperture handles files, I suggest you get Joseph’s ebook available here.

Or join Lynda.com for a month and take the Aperture training available there.

Thomas

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by katy
May 25, 2013 - 8:07am

Thomas, that was very helpful. Thank you. I just checked my backblaze account and YES, my ap library is there with many folders in it. So, based on what you have said, I believe my metadata is backed up on back blaze. I am going to look into both the ebook and lynda.com. Many thanks

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by Philip M
May 25, 2013 - 9:27am

Thank you Tom!! Much appreciated. Katy as well!!

Philip M's picture
by Philip M
May 26, 2013 - 2:11am

Thomas I have quick question. If my Aperture Library resides on an external HD, is that managed or referenced? I’m assuming it’s managed because if I disconnect my external HD and open Aperture up from the dock, there are no images, etc.

Yet, when I do my weekly Vault backup which I do on two separate portable ext HD’s, it always warns that there are for example, 53 images that are referenced and not included on this Vault back up, etc.

Thanks

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by John Waugh
May 26, 2013 - 2:18am

Thomas,
Thanks for the clarification of the clock/ counter for those looking into Backblaze.
I wanted to point out that disconnected drives are purged after 30 days.
I have multiple Aperture libraries dating back to 2005 on 24 EHD’s (12 Tb original plus redundant vaults), many of those drives are disconnected for months at a time.
Backblaze may not be the answer for the large storage/ backup requirements generated over the long term.

John Waugh, Photographic Images • Apple Certified Trainer• Sport Action Lifestyle Photography

katy's picture
by katy
May 26, 2013 - 2:34am

Hi Philip,

I am still a bit confused with all of this and wanted to ask you how you know your ap lib is stored on an EHD.? I store all of my images in an EHD ( not in aperture). Does that mean my ap lib is stored on an EHD?

And with regards to the warning you get when you back up your vault ( I get a similar type of warning ) you might want to read the comments left to a post I created called Creating New Vault again. If you go to user forums it is on the 2nd page. Not sure, but it might help you.. Katy

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