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Lightroom has just become the Aperture KILLER !!! Its available for Mobile if your in the $9.99 Photography Deal !!!!! #1
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by TattooedMac
April 7, 2014 - 9:50pm

This just came up in my twitter feed, and I’m glad now I got the deal. Might be moving to LR after all :-/

Lightroom Goes Mobile with New iPad Solution

We’re thrilled to announce the availability of Lightroom mobile, an extension of the photography workflow designed specifically for a mobile experience. Beginning today, you can get Lightroom mobile from the iTunes App Store and seamlessly connect your desktop workflow to your tablet (you will need the Lightroom 5.4 update for Mac or Windows).

Read more about it here at Forbes 

I really think this is going to be the Killer Blow to Aperture. For those sitting on the fence, just got off and have now moved to LR. I got into the $9.99 deal last month, and actually glad I did now.

So what do others think ??

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by Rafael - MyDarkroom.ca
April 7, 2014 - 11:15pm

 

At least someone read my post from Jan 2012 :)

I think this will be a useful app and I do hope Apple will come with something similar. It will take more than that to convince me to a lifetime subscription to Adobe CC though. Since I am happy with what Aperture offers me, so I am not going anywhere. 

I wonder if anyone would be concerned about colour/contrast difference between iPad screen, computer and print. I know colour management can be hell… it would not bug me since I shoot mostly BW.

Raf

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by TattooedMac
April 8, 2014 - 12:06am

Well Ihave to say that Adobe has done their work with this App. Its quick in syncing with the Desktop .v and has your selected collections over in no time at all.

The Editing part of it is basic at the moment, with the normal, White Balance, Temp, Tint, Exposure EV + -, Contrast, Highlights, Shadows, Clarity, Vibrance and Saturation. In another editing mode they have B&W Filters, Toned, Colour, Effects and General.

Everything happens in quick time, then you touch Sync and its in the Desktop. There is also a Offline mdd as well, for editing on the go. You can import from Camera Roll, and then set it to collect anything that then on goes into the Camera Roll.

As to the $9.99/mth @Raf, its fora month by month basis and I can get out of it when ever I want. To be honest, I think that is a Cheap way to go, and I can still export everything I need before I close down the Subscription. I have used PS CC quite a bit now, and even with the Export to LR Script, I have even used that about 20 times already this month for minor Perspective work, so to me, I’m happy not to have 2 cups of coffee a month to have all these features at my disposal.

Heck PS CC hase Perspective Warp, and that in itself is a amazing toll to add some dimension to some images :)

But I am waiting to see what Apple does to fire their next round, but the June WWDC is a little to late IMHO :(

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by Jim Burgess
April 8, 2014 - 4:18am

It’s $9.99 a month until Adobe decides to raise the subscription price, which is anytime they want.

I wouldn’t be too quick to jump on the LR Mobile bandwagon. It still lacks features that would be far more useful on an iPad than editing, i.e., you can’t assign ratings or  metadata.

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by Charles Putnam
April 8, 2014 - 6:43am

As much as I love Aperture’s organization over Lr, and as much as I’m not a fan of Adobe’s subscription based plan, at $10 a month, it’s a decent deal for even a hobbyist.

I hate to say this but, Apple’s pulled a Microsoft by not even (by all appearances) trying to keep up with Lr (i.e. adding useful features like lens and perspective correction, better highlight/shadow editing, etc.).

As Jim notes, Adobe could raise the subscription price - but they’d probably endure the same backlash they got when they first announced their subscription plan last May (personal opinion - I think Adobe learned their lesson by the spanking they got).

Personal opinion only - Apple will eventually release a major overhaul to Aperture, and most likely it will include an iPad version.  However, they’ll be playing catch-up to Adobe (much like Microsoft has tried to do with Windows Phone and other areas).

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by Butch Miller
April 8, 2014 - 7:00am

The iPad app doesn’t impress me much … first you need a desktop or laptop to “prepare” your images for use on the iPad. Then you must use the “Cloud” to sync back and forth … Then … in my mind, you can’t do what is most important via the iPad. To me, rating, key wording and other metadata is much more important than image processing “while sitting on the couch” …

I think Adobe is missing the boat. It won’t be long before the iPad will be operating at an OS X equivalent … heck, the iPad Air has as much (if not more) processing power as the G4 tower I was using with the first version of Lightroom.

I think this iPad app, while interesting, doesn’t really add much to the mix. Certainly not enough to convince me to jump on the Adobe monthly-stipend-for-life treadmill.

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by TattooedMac
April 8, 2014 - 3:50pm

You can import into LR iPad straight from Camera or Camera Roll and then use them Locally, so that isn’t a big deal. As to Rating, Keywording and Metadata, Ithink you might have missed my Tip where there is a great App for iPad called ShutterSnitch.

Reading the Forbes article, they asked Head of Digital Software, why the lack of features, and he said that they are coming in update (like any App out there, you don’t throw all eggs in 1 basket, you keep people wanting) and as well as that, they won’t to listen to the customer and what they want. They will add things in future updates, based on what we want in the App. 

Yes its quite bare at the moment, but the thing is, they have beaten Apple to the Candy Shop, and have  launched a App to sync with their Pro Photography App. That in itself is a big deal … .

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by Butch Miller
April 8, 2014 - 5:30pm

No, I didn’t miss out on ShutterSnitch …. been using it on my iPads since v1 … doesn’t make sense that Adobe would think they would have to be told by their users that an iOS app would be better with the ability to keyword, rate and label images. I’m sure those are capabilities that the vast majority of Lr users would find useful. Not only that, the implementation of such features would be far easier to incorporate than some of the capabilities they already included. After all, metadata is nothing more than a simple text file …

If Adobe are as responsive to user input as they have been with the development of the Slideshow and Book modules … users will be waiting … and waiting … and wait some more for something really useful … kind of like waiting for Aperture X … so I don’t see this addition as the Holy Grail initiative for signing up for the endless CC payment plan.

I believe in the merit system … develop something I can use now … and I’ll happily pay you for it. Just like I did with ShutterSnitch … and Aperture. I won’t make endless down payments speculating for what may or may not exist in the future. When I am inclined to gamble, I can always plan a trip to Vegas … I’d likely see a better return on my investment.

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by Philip
April 8, 2014 - 8:43am

This could be a killer app if you could work directly from camera to iPad on the road. As it is you have to first prep smart previews on your computer and then access them via Adobe’s cloud. Don’t get me wrong - this is certainly better than the teaser page that showed this app costing $100 that was leaked earlier this year but its a far cry from a truly mobile version of LR. With all the drawbacks to this app why not just bring along an Air, run Aperture, and back up to any cloud service you prefer rather than letting Adobe have total control of your images?

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by Charles Putnam
April 8, 2014 - 9:37am

Philip - storing your images in Adobe’s Creative Cloud is an option, not a requirement.  You can still store your images locally on your own ‘puter.

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by Philip
April 8, 2014 - 10:16am

Thanks - I understand that, but can you avoid the “cloud” if you are working with the iPad App and the catalog on your computer? I sure don’t know - but I am assuming that is what is used to sync all catalog changes.

Just Wondering…

Oops… Looks like I double posted with Jim below. That is what I thought - thank you.

Edited for double post info below…

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by Jim Burgess
April 8, 2014 - 10:08am

Yes, the originals are stored on your LR computer or (I guess as an option) on Adobe’s Creative Cloud. But the sync process with LR Mobile is via the Creative Cloud. No option on that.

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by Charles Putnam
April 8, 2014 - 10:46am

Jim - yes, that’s how Lr syncs with Lr Mobile.  Aperture (and iPhoto) syncs photos via iCloud in much the same manner.

I really wish Apple would step up to the plate and deliver an alternative.  Although I have a CC subscription (mostly for PS CC), Lr’s Library is simply messy compared to how Aperture handles projects.  But….Lr has a number of features that Aperture should really have by now.  Apple could do as good…if not better…a job as what Adobe is offering.  Just wish they’d give at least a hint of what their plans are.

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by TattooedMac
April 8, 2014 - 3:54pm

In general, adobe has been reported to say they will add feature as the customer tells them what they want. Yes its in its infancy, but they have just taken another bite out of the Apple IMHO with this App. Like any App, it will get better and better, so the ball is now in Apple court, (they approved the App and know its there) so it will be interesting to see what they volley back with … 

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by DEFii
April 8, 2014 - 4:08pm

Well, I have downloaded an installed Lightroom Mobile on two iPads - one iPad Air; one iPad Mini with Retina Display. As I read the comments, I have sneaking suspicion much of the information about the limitations of the mobile app is gathered from other sources. I’m wondering how many who have posted on this have in fact used the app. I have, and quite frankly, though it lacks some features that would be useful, it is a good starting point. And I’m sure, much as the first version of many of Apple’s new apps often lack full feature offerings, there will be developments over time. The bottom line is, at least Adobe has done something. And something is better than nothing. And nothing is what Apple has done to address the apparent need among some professionals for some type of workflow between the desktop and the iPad. 

I have been using Aperture since 2007. My Aperture library, which I have been forced to relegate to archival status contains about 80,000 images. I’ve written elsewhere about my woes on solid high end Macs with Aperture since the update to 3.5 and 3.5.1, as well as OS X Mavericks. Memory leaks, systems crashes, and lengthy library rebuilding had become par for the course. And I couldn’t make excuses to my clients. I had to produce. So, I looked at alternatives, and ultimately turned the Lightroom. 

Do I think Lightroom is somehow superior to Aperture? No. Not at all. But it just works. Remember that mantra? The organization of images in Aperture is better. But the Develop Module is amazing. And apart from those incremental updates over the past years of Aperture version 3, many of us have been waiting for that major release that would address some of the significant deficits that we attempt to handle with plugins. 

Lightroom is a bit clunky, but it is reliable. Slower import of my large D800 files? Of course. But it’s reliable. And that’s what it boils down to. 

As for the iPad version, I am already using it 24 hours later and like what I can do. I’m not concerned about $10.00 per month as a part of my business operations to cover Creative Cloud. In fact, if Adobe decides to make it $20 after the first year, it won’t change my need for Photoshop. I’ll still subscribe. The fact is, at least Adobe makes their apps, including this brand new mobile version, central. It’s their bread and butter. As such, I trust them to keep developing it and not have their customs waiting for four years, looking at the agenda for every WWDC for hints that this year we may get the big one - Aperture X or 4 or whatever the nomenclature may be. 

So, I am one of those who reluctantly turned to Adobe, but I am contented with the fact that they’re at least working on it and delivering something - including this mobile app. 

If I sound just a bit disillusioned by what Apple has (or has not) done with Aperture, it’s because I am. I am sorely disappointed.  

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by TattooedMac
April 9, 2014 - 3:27am

Very well said mate. My sediments exactly. 

I wouldn’t be worrying about the LR + PS CC $9.99 going up next time the Subscription comes around, as those that are on it for that price will continue to pay that price, if you let it waiver and then decide to come back, thats when Adobe will sting you for more $.

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by Chris Biele
April 13, 2014 - 6:37am

“The fact is, at least Adobe makes their apps, including this brand new mobile version, central. It’s their bread and butter. As such, I trust them to keep developing it and not have their customs waiting for four years”

Exactly… Adobe is guaranteed to continue adding advanced features and pro-level support for their apps because that’s who their user base is. Apple is a consumer focused company with a pro-level suite of apps which are currently on a lifeline. I really feel in limbo waiting to find out if Apple is going to supply the much needed blood transfusion, or just cut the cord altogether. Personally I feel they will deliver something new soon… but realistically, soon should have been last year.

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by Darrell H
April 8, 2014 - 5:16pm

We can only hope that that there are Apples engineers out there reading this board biting their lips at the chance to show off what they have. I find it hard to believe that there isn’t anything in development. Apple could of let Aperture die a long time ago if they wanted too. They keeping adding small bits and drabs as incremental updates. They keep mentioning it in advertising. Apple doesn’t do anything my accident, they always have a reason.
Like everyone else I hope the size of the update is commensurate with the time it took them to put it out. I like the free updates but I’m ready to shell out money for something big.

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by Walter Rowe
April 8, 2014 - 7:24pm

Syncing from desktop to mobile uses the smart previews feature in LR5 and Adobe’s cloud.

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by Philip
April 9, 2014 - 7:36am

I’m not all that sure about that. As long as this “deal” is listed as a special offer with end date it seems more like an introductory offer designed to reel in a customer base. It would not surprise me at all to see the cost escalate after year one.

It’s Adobe after all…

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by TattooedMac
April 9, 2014 - 11:38pm

Trust me, I’m not a fool and wouldn’t sign up for anything that would do that to me, so ill link you to the Adobe Blog Post and then go down to where the CSR Jeffery Tranberry replies that “the $9.99 is the price and not a 1 yr offer” @By Jeffrey Tranberry - 1:51 PM on November 20, 2013, so unless they renege on their deal with us, they are going to have a absolute outcry about Adobe playing Foul.

But then again you can’t believe everything you read on the inter web ;P

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by Butch Miller
April 10, 2014 - 2:08am

“But then again you can’t believe everything you read on the inter web ;P”

Absolutely correct … you can’t always trust what is said today will remain the policy tomorrow. If you recall, though the CC licensing option existed before May 6, 2013, Adobe had no publicly announced plans to cease offering perpetual licensing for their CS products. Multi-billion dollar corporations change their minds … and policies when it suits them … not their customers.

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by TattooedMac
April 10, 2014 - 2:22am

Apple has just upped the Price of Apps by 30% here in Australia a week ago, so they are starting to loose quite a lot of customers, even though they have so much invested in the ecosystem  … . I could well be the next.

IMO I don’t think Adobe will up the price next year either … Ill be back in 12 months to see if I need to eat my words.

 

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"Can't innovate any more, my ass" Phil Schiller

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by Bob Correa
April 9, 2014 - 1:28pm

I’m somewhat frustrated with Aperture and it’s lack of progress. It’s outstanding at photo organization and management, yet so dated compared to Lightroom in actual image editing, let alone the modern, improved UI of the other Apple Pro apps like Final Cut Pro X, Logic X, etc.

Adobe is killing it with this new iPad companion. Sure the first version has limited editing ability, but it is a 1.0 after all. As a hobbyist I’m nervous about the long term cost of renting from Adobe. It’s a different kind of commitment than renting the ability to play any music I want from rdio, Spotify, etc. 

Please, I just want Aperture X, NOW!

Ok, having begged for AX, I’ll speak to one aspect of Lightroom & iPad integration. I’ve posted here before about a 3rd party iPad app called PhotoScope in the iPad App Store which I am still really happy with. While it doesn’t allow basic editing of images that the Adobe LR app offers, it is a very reliable and convenient interface to the Aperture library allowing rating, deleting, etc. including in batch mode.

 

Is it time to send Tim Cook a Plea?

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by Charles Putnam
April 9, 2014 - 1:36pm

Bob - I’ve sent three e-mails to Mr. Cook (the latest  regarding Lr Mobile being something that Apple should have come up with first).   A lot of us have concerns about the Photoshop Photography Program cost  going up at some point. 

Adobe got spanked…and spanked hard…even by Scott Kelby and the folks at NAPP/KelbyOne…over their original pricing.  I don’t think they want to go through that again.  It did cost them business and gave them a corporate black eye.

Apple’s “cone of silence” (bonus points for naming the TV show where that came from) sometimes does them more harm than good.  Sites like this, the discussion boards on Apple’s site, are all riddled with similar posts about needed features and upgrades.

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by Butch Miller
April 9, 2014 - 2:35pm

Charles, I agree it’s time for Apple to “Get Smart” and step up to the plate. I can’t understand why they are reluctant to take my money …

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by Milt Anglin
April 10, 2014 - 6:08am

I sure hope Apple will  ”Get Smart” and update Aperture soon. As for editing on my iPad; I have no desire to do that. If I am going to edit on the road I will use my MBP 13”. That way I have all of the plug-ins that I use much more than Photoshop. I find myself going less and less to Photoshop. Outside of Aperture I use On One, Topaz and Snapheal for 99.3% of my outside editing. Easier, faster and cheaper. 

Milt

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by Mark Alderson
April 11, 2014 - 4:48am

True editing on an iPad? Sync your photos from your camera to your iPad? Guys and gals, let’s be serious about this. I’ve had iPads since they came out, I currently have a 3rd Gen and getting ready to get an Air. I’ve used a lot of different photo apps on the devices, and let’s face it, touch interface and editing is less than desirable. Sure, you can crop, fix some small problems, but overall not very useful. And then there is the space issue on the iPad, unless you have nothing on your iPad, the memory is mostly very minimal. Even with 64GB versions (my next will be 128GB) I’ve had, by the time you add programs and other goodies, you might have 25GB available for use. Don’t get me wrong, I love my iPad and use it all day for all sorts of things, but no serious editing. I have to agree with others, invest in a 13” MBP retina if you want to do some serious photo management or editing. Just my friendly opinion.

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by Butch Miller
April 11, 2014 - 5:21am

True editing on an iPad?

Yes, that is the goal. Nothing wrong with that. I’m just hoping that Apple will soon offer a better method to get there.

I am a photojournalist and sports shooter by trade … since 1975. Perhaps it is because I was weaned on shooting Kodachrome and Ektachrome for publication in my formative years … I find that if a photographer puts forth their best effort before they depress the shutter release … there is far less image editing necessary after the fact.

I find the iPad very useful for many jobs. For most of my tasks … the only image editing I really need is routine WB, Exposure, Contrast tweaking and cropping/straightening. More importantly, I need the ability to properly keyword and caption images then deliver electronically to the client. IMHO … tablets are perfectly capable of the task. The added bonus would be if I could sync that work performed on location to my desktop upon return to the office so I don’t have to duplicate those efforts.

I routinely use my iPad to fulfill my clients needs … right from the sideline, baseline or dugout … where there often isn’t the space or wouldn’t be prudent to employ a laptop. 

 

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by Steve Jackson
April 11, 2014 - 7:08pm
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by Stuart
April 12, 2014 - 2:13pm

I attended Photoshop World 2014 in Atlanta last week and was present at the opening event (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga7dJF46bYk) when Adobe showed off a number interesting items including Adobe Mobile. Must admit some pretty impressive stuff. Presently I still go back and forth between Aperture and Lightroom, but if Apple does not do something soon with Aperture I will just go with Adobe full time.

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by Richard
April 12, 2014 - 7:38pm

“so unless they renege on their deal with us”

After using Adobe software for many years, I take pretty much everything they say with a grain of salt. I have too many discontinued and abandoned apps from them not to. :)

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by Steve Jackson
April 21, 2014 - 12:39am

Now that Adobe has thrown down the gauntlet and taken to market an integrated iPad/ digital imaging software solution, perhaps Apple will use WWDC in early June to announce their own version of same. iPad is Apple’s product after all, and WWDC is a ‘pro’ event. Fingers crossed.

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