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ON1 Photo 10 as a DAM? #1
Jeroen's picture
by Jeroen
September 24, 2015 - 2:22am

Having read the announcement of ON1 Photo 10 (https://www.on1.com/apps/on1photo10/), I wonder whether ON1 Photo 10 could serve as a full-fledge DAM. The site is somewhat limited in its description of the programs’s features, but does anyone know or make an educated guess? That would be appreciated.

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by Rafael - MyDarkroom.ca
October 7, 2015 - 6:09pm

I would be very very interested to know as well!!!!

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by Rafael - MyDarkroom.ca
October 7, 2015 - 6:18pm

Take a look at this: very interesting:

https://youtu.be/ZxBa4fnIaRc

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by Rafael - MyDarkroom.ca
October 7, 2015 - 6:30pm

This one is even more interesting!!!

https://youtu.be/ZacQ0L6Xges

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by Tim Kennedy
October 31, 2015 - 8:58am

It would depend on your requirements. If you want to keep things in your own drive/folder structure it will work fine. I prefer a little more management from my DAM but I would encourage it as an affordable solution for a more average sized collection of photographs. I think it's great for some small businesses, hobbyists, and those who need speed and flexibility over more of a managed approach like Aperture, Lightroom, or C1. It's relatively flexible, reasonably stable, faster than some options, and has some nice editing tools. It's easy to get into and work with. The new Photo Via functions are a convenient way to get things to your portable device and fill up your 1TB Dropbox plan without feeling locked into more involved Apple or Adobe solutions. 

In my case, I'm not going to dump my use of PhotoMechanic and Capture One for a more powerful DAM combo. PM is simply too powerful for quickly applying bulk metainformation and C1 is better at offering global editing within the DAM. But I am beginning to experiment with using Photo 10 and Photo Via as an additional option for my C1 content that I want to take out of the office. C1 is great on the local network for viewing and rating but still lacks an effective solution for wider portability. On1 is agnostic enough to work with C1 sessions and your existing drive arrangement. 

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by vidpixarts@gmail.com
December 4, 2015 - 7:18pm

Interesting. I have never thought about on1 photos 10 as a Serious DAM before. Now more homework to do on just how that would work–even keeping things in own folder(project/library) structure. 

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by Colin
December 6, 2015 - 10:55am

I have looked at this but cannot grow to love the On1 editing products. The brushes can lag terribly and I cannot settle down with the concept of filters (not the way they work in Photo 10 anyway).  The workflow is the workflow of course and it works for many (but not me). 

Must agree though, that image browser is a great tool.

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by Tim Kennedy
December 6, 2015 - 11:28am

You might give it a chance once it settles in. Every fall they roll out the new version. And I go through the same thing where I take advantage of the great upgrade and then wonder if I should have. I live in Portrait. It makes fast work of repetitive facial work while not being heavy handed like other tools. But right now it's pretty buggy again. It misses the face (shifting down and to the right until I reboot Ps) and the brushes are sluggish and wonky. I had finally grown accustomed to the old ones. The new ones will be better but they aren't working quite right. I expect it'll settle in by early next year. 

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by Colin
December 6, 2015 - 11:31am

Par for the course then :-) I think it is disgraceful that these companies appear to push sub standard software out of the door in exchange for money. It seem the customer is paying to be a beta tester!

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by Tim Kennedy
December 6, 2015 - 11:48am

Maybe. We want new features and changes but those also introduce bugs. Especially considering the range of platform variations and users. Plus, software is cheaper now for what you get. It's not like the old days where the cycle was a bit longer. I like the new C1 too but it's a bit buggy with older sessions. The catalog is zippier but I keep crashing my sessions.

If I'm looking for fast plug and play effects with a good browser and not much else, On1 is a great solution. In my use of Portrait, that pretty well some it up. Get in, get out, on to the next one. It's not too expensive. Beginners can figure it out. Advanced users can get more of it when they need to. It saves time. It has some new handy online features. It's not going to replace Aperture or Capture One. It will take care of much of the Ps need for many photographers who don't require Lr because of their load. But if you do need Ps and you have the Photographer plan and you're not using Aperture or C1, Lr is more of an automatic choice. It's already there so why not. 

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by Colin
December 6, 2015 - 1:19pm

I’ll stick with LR

All these new features, are they for us or just so the software company can push yet another release out the door and earn more money? I would rather a more gentle path with proper testing. I know there may still be bugs, I am a realist, but those bugs should be small. And I would not say On1 stuff is cheap. It may not be overly expensive but imho it is not cheap.

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by Tim Kennedy
December 6, 2015 - 1:53pm

Yeah, as much as I tried to force myself, I can't like the interface or take the performance hit in Lr. I still have Lr because I pay for my bugs monthly with Ps. I wish I could say Ps is not as buggy as On1 but the kind of work I do is very repetitive and you find them. When it's Adobe, I often feel that their “new features” are really about justifying that monthly fee. On1 went through a major interface change a couple years back and I think a lot of there changes are still about perfecting it. In the future I might stretch it longer. I love the new C1 tools but I'm also perfectly happy with 8 for now. And with both, I get more stations (5 seats for On1, 3 in the new C1) and the choice of when to upgrade. It's still buggy but On1's Portrait is easier to work with in 10. I knew that was coming so I invested earlier than I might have. Holding off on C1 for now until they get more updates out and I feel better about jumping. Technically you don't have to upgrade CC either but it is very good at getting in your face and implying that you should. Especially since they have already taken your money anyway. 

Your experience and mileage may vary. 

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by Colin
December 7, 2015 - 2:21am

The only performance hit I get in LR is the first load of the day, apart from that it runs well enough on my Mac Mini quad core with 8 gig ram. PS is not slow at all and I see no bugs in either (but I know experiences vary) . Certainly the brushes behave as expected. I actually do all my editing in PS, even raw, as I use the raw editor as a layered filter (normally in a smart object).

It is all personal preference but this editing space is well too crowed now with everyone trying little tricks to make their offering better than the next. So for me it is LR or failing that C1 but of course with C1 I would probably still need PS or something like it …..now maybe Affinity Photo is worth a look :-)

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