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Mark Alderson's picture
by Mark Alderson
January 22, 2015 - 6:15am

There seems to be radio silence in reference to Photos for OS X, even from Joseph. Has anybody heard any rumors as to want is coming, and when?

Thanks, Mark

Charles Putnam's picture
by Charles Putnam
January 27, 2015 - 12:45pm

soon - early 2015

Rafael - MyDarkroom.ca's picture
by Rafael - MyDarkroom.ca
January 27, 2015 - 5:29pm

This doesn't sound very promising:

Apple seemingly crops Photos for Mac out of early 2015, takes eraser tool to Apple.com

It would be nice to get a “it's coming”, “looks okay”, or even a “it exists”  from one of the guys beta testing it…

Rafael

 

 

JimW's picture
by JimW
January 27, 2015 - 6:11pm

Anything on this, Joseph?

JimW

SKR Imaging's picture
by SKR Imaging
January 28, 2015 - 10:08am

I for one do not want Apple to rush into this release.. Maybe they wrote the app in Objective-C and then realised that Swift would be a more appropriate language to code it in; to ensure a more future proof software package..

Also, bugs and errors that would result in users losing valuable images if release was rushed would really not go well with public and or media… that must be another reason for the delay..

All this is speculation of course but nonetheless, I don’t mind waiting.. Aperture still responds to all my needs for now.. 

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by Joe
January 28, 2015 - 11:01am

I agree something is smelly here around… it is too silence … or else I am just too paranoiac…. but:

  • there is less and less update on the website
  • no new message from Joseph saying to keep hope…
  • a lot of activity in Joseph instagram and other media…

so… for me 3 possibilities:

  • He is like us with no news and start to shift into new stuff… but waiting what apple will do.
  • He switched to lightroom … arrghhhh
  • He is under NDA with Apple and testing already photos? 

lets hope that it is the last one :)

JimW's picture
by JimW
January 28, 2015 - 11:11am

Well, I am certainly sticking with Aperture. Probably no further than 3.5.1 and Mavericks 10.9.x. Still hearing some problems with Yosemite and 3.6. Would love any feedback on that, but with focus on Photos I’m not sure bugs in 3.6 will have high priority. No desire to move to LightRoom. Aperture will run a long time on my new Tube and 2012 Mac Pro. Waiting to see what Photos will bring, but would like to see some clarification from Apple.

JimW

Mark Alderson's picture
by Mark Alderson
January 29, 2015 - 9:33am

Well, I like to believe that Joseph is in the know, but can’t tell us anything. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it! :)

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by helalwi
January 29, 2015 - 7:03pm

… and who is Joseph? This is certainly need to know :-)

Best regards, Alex

Joe's picture
by Joe
January 30, 2015 - 2:12am

the brain behind this website :) our guru ;)

helalwi's picture
by helalwi
January 30, 2015 - 2:21am

Thank you. Hope that the guru will speak soon. After all I always considered this Web-Site to be connected to Apple … 

Without any joke: I appreciate this web site very much and trough this the work of Joseph. Thank you. After all we have to be patient.

Best regards, Alex

Thomas Emmerich's picture
by Thomas Emmerich
January 30, 2015 - 11:21am

I’m starting to see articles like this one: Apple delays release of its Aperture replacement app, set for a late April release.

Sometimes these could be deliberate leaks from Apple and sometimes complete bull for page views. Keep that in mind while reading…

Thomas

Charles Putnam's picture
by Charles Putnam
January 30, 2015 - 11:45am

Well…considering the article notes “Apple CEO Tim Cook made mention of the Photos app for OSX during Tuesday’s quarterly earnings call, saying it was still on track to be completed by the end of April”, it seems that it’s actually a direct clarification from Apple as to the status of Photos for OS X.

Joe's picture
by Joe
January 31, 2015 - 2:56am

so let’s wait up to April :)

PhotoJoseph's picture
by PhotoJoseph
January 31, 2015 - 10:51am

Hey everyone. I'll chime in… and thanks for the “guru” status ;-) hehe

I hadn't heard the Tim Cook comment, so if that's accurate, at least that's something. I really wish I had more info to give you, and AFAIK there is no outside beta testing (that just isn't something Apple does), so don't take the lack of rumors around that to mean anything. I am still sticking with my original proclamation… 

  1. Photos will come when it comes… “early 2015”, and I suppose by some margin April still counts as that. 
  2. Photos 1.0 will not be an Aperture replacement. Anyone expecting it to be will be disappointed. And if I'm wrong, hallelujah, but I won't be.
  3. Photos 1.1/2.0/2016/whatever will eventually be enough of an Aperture replacement for the majority of Aperture users. The original expectation was that this would happen before OS X 10.11, but if we really are waiting for April for a 1.0, then I doubt that. In theory that means we'll get another maintenance update for Aperture to make it 10.11 compatible, but I wouldn't put money on that. Aperture holdouts may have to stick with 10.10. 
  4. There will be a percentage of Aperture users who will never be satisfied with Photos, and will need to move to Lightroom. I would conservatively predict those top 10% users, the ones who use the most arcane features, or have totally tweaked and torqued Aperture to do their bidding, will be in that group. The majority of Aperture users however; those for whom iPhoto wasn't enough, for who liked digging deeper than iPhoto allowed, or utilized the plugins, presets, and other expandable features, will be very happy with Photos — once it's matured.

I've made this comparison a few times, but I'll put it again here. I am likening this transition to that of Final Cut Pro 7 to FCP X. When FCPX came out, it was a whole new workflow, and was missing a lot of features. Many people hated it. It was dubbed “iMovie Pro”, and that wasn't unfair. However now, a few years later, FCPX is phenomenal. Sure there are those who made the switch to Premiere or Avid, who just couldn't wrap their head around the new paradigm, but for many it's the second coming of NLEs. It really is that good.

Sadly, it took years to get there. And it'll likely be the same for Photos.

As far as why it's so quiet on this site… that has to do with a severe lack of things to talk about, plus other projects taking over my life, plus an unfortunate decrease in submitted content. Which, if you would like to write for the site (I do pay… admittedly not as much as I'd like to but I do pay), do let me know. Include some references to stuff you've written please. I really need to get this site back to the regular Monday-Wednesday-Friday posting schedule, but I don't have time to do it all myself right now. 

Thanks for sticking with the site. I don't know if exclusively Photos is really the right future for it anymore, but this stagnation needs to end. Lots to figure out. 

@PhotoJoseph
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JimW's picture
by JimW
January 31, 2015 - 11:29am

Thanks for your response, Joseph. I agree with you on all counts. Will wait for Photos and continue to monitor your site before making any moves. I had one question, though. I have pretty much decided to stay on Mavericks 10.9.5/ Aperture 3.5.1 for just the reason you mentioned, not much attention likely to be paid to 3.6 and bugs I have heard about it and Yosemite. Any advice on my strategy? What has your experience been with Yosemite/3.6? Just a little leery of the possible lack of attention by Apple.

JimW

PhotoJoseph's picture
by PhotoJoseph
January 31, 2015 - 11:33am

I've been using Yosemite and Aperture 3.6 since release with no problems. I really like Yosemite, and Aperture is just fine. But see if anyone else has had any issues to report.

@PhotoJoseph
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by JimW
January 31, 2015 - 12:16pm

Thanks, Joseph. Anyone else have comments on Yosemite and Aperture 3.6?  Have been reading of a lot of bugs in Yosemite and some in 3.6 as well.  As I said before, Apple probably hasn’t much incentive to work on 3.6 in the future. Any info would be helpful on the combination of the two or individually. Thanks.

JimW

SKR Imaging's picture
by SKR Imaging
January 31, 2015 - 12:33pm

Hi Jim, 

Could you please post some of the bugs you have read about pertaining to Aperture 3.6.. I’m using it on Yosemite since day one and have not had any issues..

only bug I encountered (on 3.5.1 with Yosemite) was the “unsupported image” issue but I fixed it with  help from this article: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6524559

For Yosemite bugs, Apple has released update 10.10.2 recently which fixes many pesky issues and important wifi problems.. 

 

Thomas Emmerich's picture
by Thomas Emmerich
January 31, 2015 - 1:41pm

I’ve been using 10.10 and 3.6 since they were released and don’t have any issues except one related to an exceptional use of the app. I have a library I share with my wife on an external drive (We have our own MacOS X logins). Whenever one of us opens the library for the first time after the other had it open, it needs to resync connected accounts (Facebook, Smugmug, Flickr, etc) which takes a long time and makes Aperture almost completely unresponsive until several minutes after the activity window indicates nothing is happening. Once that is finished all is well.

I don’t think the app is designed to do what we are doing but the fact that it works at all is a bonus. The re-syncing of accounts has been taking longer and longer over the years - probably because we’re building up more and more photos in those services rather than anything to do with Aperture’s design.

When Photos arrives I’m sure we’ll have to rethink how we share a library.

Thomas

JimW's picture
by JimW
January 31, 2015 - 12:46pm

Can’t remember where I read about the problems with 3.6, but it could be that they were mostly related to problems with Yosemite. Mac Performance Guide website has been particularly negative about problems with Yosemite, including the latest update. He is a heavy Photoshop and LightRoom user. I have other software I use that doesn’t play well with Yosemite yet as well. Given the one way nature (at least on one copy of my large managed library) I am being quite conservative about moving to 3.6. I have a Mac Pro 2012 with multiple OSX boot drives, so I will probably experiment with Yosemite/3.6 there first before committing them to my tube. Do a lot of video as well, so that complicates things OS wise. Thanks for any input or experience. BTW 3.5.1 seem to be working well on 10.9.5 but have seen a few unsupported formats . Thanks for that link.

Also 3.4.5. Anyone had problems with Aperture 3.4.5 on 10.8.5 through 10.9.5? That was something you said was workable Joseph, and so far my  experience has borne that out. Maybe that is my universal answer before going to Yosemite and 3.6.

Still see Photos app as a large part of my future, though.

JimW

Richard's picture
by Richard
January 31, 2015 - 9:14pm

“There will be a percentage of Aperture users who will never be satisfied with Photos, and will need to move to Lightroom.”

Lightroom is only one alternative.

I’m pretty much in Capture One 8.1 these days. Image quality is excellent. Tools are top notch, pretty great UI. Some glitches and bugs, but what software doesn’t?

It’s hard to quantify these things exactly, but in terms of image quality if Aperture was 90%, Capture One is more like 95-96%.

DXO Optics Pro 9 & 10 are wonderful too, but they lack any kind of local adjustments, brushes or layers, and that means it just doesn’t fit in my workflow. Image quality again, a bit better than Aperture.

They also do things that Aperture doesn’t, like distortion and perspective correction, at the RAW level.

Some things Aperture still does better, mainly in terms of using it as a DAM. Little things too, like being able to throw a folder of images at it, and it separates them individual folders for the date taken.

 

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by PhotoJoseph
February 1, 2015 - 7:36am

Richard, would you like to write about Capture One? An introductory post… an opinion piece on why you prefer it over Lightroom… a comparison to Aperture… anything? Let me know.

@PhotoJoseph
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by Jochen H. Schmidt
February 2, 2015 - 4:55am

Hi Joseph, Hi Richard,

I would be interested in cooperating on this. I've tested out LR and Capture One the last months until finally coming back to my Aperture Workflow. I think I can provide some interesting insights on that.

(to Joseph: I've also not forgotten to complete the bit rot tip - I waited on it because I really thought a new release of QRecall is imminent; and because other work did hold up writing (even print) for nearly 3 months now.

– Jochen

Richard's picture
by Richard
February 4, 2015 - 2:53pm

I’d like to, but unfortunately I’m already overcommitted. :-(

 

Brian Houle's picture
by Brian Houle
February 2, 2015 - 5:09am

Hi folks,

I hope this site continues.  I feel bad for Joe because it is definitely a quiet time with users in limbo waiting, some moving to LR and Apple not having Beta programs.

I have a feeling this site will be hugely beneficial once Photos is released. It may very well be different than Aperture and cause folks to move to LR. Maybe it will appeal to the masses as well. Hopefully, it satisfies everyone.

I hope for the semi-pros or ‘enthusiasts’ out there, it does the trick. I really hope it works for professionals.  I still feel there is the halo effect where if pros are using the software, they’ll buy Macs, iPhones, iPads etc.. so I think there’s reason for Apple to create an app that would appeal to the pros.

From my business’ point of view, I interact with home consumers and there is a massive need to help them organize their photos. I work with them on their home videos, but photos usually comes up in the discussion as well. I’ve come across a range of people with various photo related needs:

- 1 lady didn’t know how to erase photos from her iPhone

- 1 family had never backed up their iPads and iPhones. There were 3 iPads and 5 iPhones!

- most don’t know how to extract photos using iPhoto etc..

Those are just a few examples of what I’ve heard.

Now, that isn’t to make fun of these folks. We all have our expertise in life, but these examples are not few and far between. I believe there is a huge disconnect between people snapping these photos and then properly backing them up and/or organizing.  

Yet, almost each time I engage in a Photos conversation, there is a real desire to have an organized photo library. They do want to learn.

I’m not talking 1000s of clients, but if I were to guess at a segment of the population representing the average person, I think what I’ve seen and heard is quite normal.

So I hope Joe keeps this site going and hangs in there for a few months. Not for me personally per say, but I believe there’s a need for it.  The question is how to reach those average home users en masse.

For myself, I’m hoping to dive head first into Photos to see if it’s a true Aperture replacement for my needs. If so, then I’ll move over to it full force. If not, I’ll have to decide what to do for my own photos future.

I do like AP, but we’ll see what Photos has to offer.  If Photos isn’t the replacement, I’ll decide if i want to learn it and maybe offer some basic consulting services to help people get started organizing. I’ve had a few clients who’ve experienced hard drive crashes etc.. and lost photos of their youngest baby etc.. and it’s heartbreaking every time.  From a business point of view, it could be beneficial to add some $$ to my bottom line. For example, I had a few hours showing a lady who to connect her iPad to her AppleTV for streaming music and photos. She was blown away at how easy it is. As simple as Apple makes using their products, I think society is so fast paced and impatient that (most) folks don’t take the time to properly learn their devices.

So I hope this site continues, for me and everyone else.

Here’s a link to the latest update I’ve seen regarding Photos:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2015/01/29/apple-delays-release-of-…

 

Cheers,

Keebler

 

Richard's picture
by Richard
February 4, 2015 - 2:53pm
shawn_k's picture
by shawn_k
February 5, 2015 - 10:29am

Looks like Photos will be coming in the 10.10.3 update. Apple released the first beta today.

http://www.macrumors.com/2015/02/05/apple-10-10-3-photos-app/

Also, a new page on their site for Photos which mentions coming in Spring

https://www.apple.com/osx/photos-preview/

 

Tom McKay's picture
by Tom McKay
February 5, 2015 - 11:22am

Check out this http://www.wsj.com/articles/bye-bye-iphoto-apple-reboots-with-photos-for…

So developers have been given Photo’s prog with Spring launch projected. Good news? Well the prog will be free along with 5Gb storage on iCloud then you get stiiffed for storage costs. Oh & its doesn’t work with Dropbox or Google drive. I will wait & see if local storage is an option & have a workflow using the 5Gb then something else. I am not so sure that ‘serious’ amateurs are who Apple want with this type of program. Uless of course they are thinking of a camera. I mean a ‘proper’ camera. I’m an Apple user but heh there are other products I want to use AND I want them to link in some way with Apple. Why must everything be in the Apple ecosystem. Don’t answer that I know why!

These ‘all in one’ type programs are for snapshot takers (I don’t mean that to be snobbish) not for someone with photography as a hobby. I liked it when cameras took the pictures & dedicated programs like Aperture, PSE LR took care of the storage, editing etc.

You never have enough gear!

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by Flipkal
February 5, 2015 - 12:01pm

I just read David Pogue’s review of the beta-Photos app for the Mac. As a diehard Aperture user, I was excited to see some of the features being brought over to the new app. His ‘take’ on the new app is refreshing and promising. Yes, there will be a change in the way it will manage your images, but there are also some advantages to the Cloud storage concept. I feel much better about what is happening.

The article appears on the Yahoo Tech site: https://www.yahoo.com/tech/photos-for-the-mac-is-clean-fast-connected-an…

Phil in Midland

SKR Imaging's picture
by SKR Imaging
February 5, 2015 - 1:42pm

the only thing I dislike about the cloud formula is the dependance on an outside server to save my work.. I know it is only an option (not a requirement) and I will never use it for my RAW workflow….  

I feel Apple could well have implemented an option to rate and edit photos on iPad and have the edits sync to Mac through Airdrop or wireless Lan connection in the house without ever needing to depend on iCloud..

anyways it’s really a wait and see for Photos for Mac… from the looks of the dev beta reviews, v 1.0 seems more geared towards iPhoto enthusiasts… hopefully version 2.0 or 3.0 will be more suited to the Aperture crowd.

Brian Houle's picture
by Brian Houle
February 5, 2015 - 12:25pm

Well it certainly looks promising.

From a personal point of view in terms of how I’m organizing my own photos, I have raised eyebrows on this quote from Re/code’s review:  “And you can’t add custom metadata fields in the app.”

I’ve been adding all sorts of metadata and plan to have more or at least continue in the future.

That said, I shall wait for the public release then dive head on. Or maybe I’ll buy the developer cost and start with it now.

Cheers,

Brian

 

Anaxagoras's picture
by Anaxagoras
February 9, 2015 - 7:41am

Joseph,

You say…

“I am likening this transition to that of Final Cut Pro 7 to FCP X. When FCPX came out, it was a whole new workflow, and was missing a lot of features. … However now, a few years later, FCPX is phenomenal.”

I don’t think that’s a good comparison. FCPX currently costs GBP 230 on the UK App store (that’s USD 350). At that price, it should be ‘phenomenal’.

Photos, however, is given away for free (that’s USD 0). So a better comparison would be to the other, free Apple apps - Pages, Numbers, Maps. I’ve heard many adjectives describing the latest versions of those apps, but ‘phenomenal’ most certainly isn’t one of them!

Anaxagoras, Newcastle upon Tyne, UK

Butch Miller's picture
by Butch Miller
February 9, 2015 - 12:13pm

“I don’t think that’s a good comparison. FCPX currently costs GBP 230 on the UK App store (that’s USD350). At that price, it should be ‘phenomenal’.”

Err … you do realize that even at the current price point of FCP X … it’s only about half the cost of other popular NLE video editing options?

Heck … Adobe’s Premiere Pro for 12 months is $240 USD. Conversely, anyone who purchased FCP X on it’s first day of release in 2011 paid $299 … (which is still the current price on the US Mac App Store) … we have had many significant updates, additions and enhancements in the past 3+ years … at no charge … In my mind, that makes FCP X the bargain of the century for Apple users who require that level of video editing.

Anaxagoras's picture
by Anaxagoras
February 12, 2015 - 9:35am

Yes, true. Apple’s PAID FOR software is very good, and very reasonably priced - compare Aperture to Lightroom and C1, for example.

But you miss the point. Apple’s FREE software is rubbish.

If Apple charge $100 for a new photography app, chances are it will be brilliant and blow the competition out of the water. But if it’s a freebie, like Maps and Pages are, it’ll be as good as… well, Maps and Pages.

Anaxagoras, Newcastle upon Tyne, UK

Jochen H. Schmidt's picture
by Jochen H. Schmidt
February 12, 2015 - 10:16am
I and I’m quite certain a lot of other experienced users disagree wholeheartedly on your point about Apple’s free offerings being rubbish.
Butch Miller's picture
by Butch Miller
February 12, 2015 - 11:10am

Yes, Apple stumbled a bit with some of their offerings in recent times.

Maps, being the major blunder. That was then. Maps is now a solid solution that I use quite a bit in getting around to jobs in areas I ‘m not familiar with … and I live in the middle of nowhere in a VERY rural community … Quite often, Google Maps will lead me astray or take the long way around. So no option is perfect.

The issues Apple had with Pages, Numbers and Keynote were growing pains … once again, they went back to the foundation and rebuilt them all from scratch. There was lots of caterwauling at the time (for good reason) yet few have acknowledged Apple did bring those apps back up to speed. I find them very nimble, responsive apps with rather small footprints on my HDD … a far cry from the overblown, bloated behemoths that are MS Office.

I don’t know why Apple takes so much heat for keeping their offerings more current … Adobe and MS conduct business as usual with code that is decades old and are held in high regard, while Apple tries to keep more current and offer options with more current code and they get pounded on.

I don’t think Photos on it’s own will ever be a replacement for Aperture … but … if they can follow through with the extensibility that was indicated at WWDC last year … the future could offer much more than was ever hoped for using Aperture or the possible new iteration we had been hoping for.

Stuart's picture
by Stuart
February 9, 2015 - 2:22pm

Ran across this video of the new Apple Photo App:

Hands on: Photos for Mac OS X - YouTube
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=opqLavQ-XuM

For what it is worth he does state it is a good replacement for iPhoto but not Aperture.

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