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by BenB
March 10, 2016 - 8:11pm

An intersting extension from Karsten Bruns. 

http://externaleditorsforphotos.tumblr.com

This extension allows you to fire-up almost all external Photo-capable apps from within Photos.

Watch his screencast carefully to understand this extension. Saving back to Photos only in jpg (for the time being). Apps that don’t support saving in Jpeg, don’t save back to Photo’s, but can still be used as external editor.  Unmodified RAW files can be opened in external apps, but not saved back directly  (but you can use some of the other options from this app).

Needs perhaps a bit of work, but still a very worthwhile development.

BenB

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by Krakatoa Sundra
December 7, 2015 - 8:19pm

Looks like MacPhun has submitted an update to AuroraHDR to include Photos extensions for those of you into HDR.

RT @wearemacphun: We plan to submit the new version of #AuroraHDR with Photos extensions support to the @AppStore today. The wait will soon be over:)

Robert Ke
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by Krakatoa Sundra
December 9, 2015 - 6:30pm

Looks like Affinity Photo was update on the Mac App Store as they have announced on Twitter. if you don't mind the destructive editing nature of Photos extensions, a full suite of editing is possible.

RT @MacAffinity: #AffinityPhoto 1.4 live now too! Panoramas, Image Stacks, 6 Photos extensions and more… https://t.co/10b1huAuLv https://t.co/q0AdB4Qb4f

Robert Ke
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by studio460
December 9, 2015 - 7:24pm

Thanks for the info! I think if users don’t expect too much, Photos is more than fine for a lot of things. I actually like Photos’ “light” tool for quick-fixes (but, from my RAW developer tests, I’m also planning on using Capture One Pro 9 for more serious work).

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by Krakatoa Sundra
December 11, 2015 - 10:24pm

I would say the Light adjustment block is pretty good. I also like the white balance adjustment block which is exactly like Aperture with warm, temp/tint and skin. I also like the level adjustment which is like Aperture and has 8 control handles and individual RGB channels. Those are my favorite Photos adjustment blocks. And with the destructive editing extensions, i can do anything i can imagine.

I don't expect Apple to to do much with Photos. I would be totally shocked if they add import/export library or brush-able adjustment. I do wish Apple would provide a way to import Photos editing sidecards into Aperture so I can work on the raw stuff on an iPad and then import the raw files and its editing sidecars into Aperture on a desktop.

I'm still using Aperture and i'm not worried at all. if it stops working some time in the future, i'll move it to Photos and start with a different dam.

Robert Ke
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by studio460
December 12, 2015 - 7:18pm

Yes, I noticed that Photos’ white balance controls were an exact transplant of Aperture’s, for which I was happily surprised. As I said, Photos is great for a lot of things, especially quick-fixes on things like vacation photos. I’m with you–I’ll still continue to use Aperture as long as it works, which could actually be quite a while … who knows? (Though I am trying to make a switch to C1, but so far, I’m not nearly as comfortable with it yet).

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by Greg Zenitsky
December 29, 2015 - 3:40pm

Doesn’t the “Revert to Original” function make the processing non-destructive or do i misunderstand what non-destructive means? I assumed that to be able to revert to original means that the edits must be stored in a sidecar.

Thanks for your help with this!

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by Krakatoa Sundra
January 30, 2016 - 5:20pm

“Revert to Original” does not mean non-destructive at all.

A full non-destructive process has 4 characteristics:

1)The original image file is read only.

2)Edits are stored in a sidecar that's either an embedded sql database or file that is outside of the source image file.

3)All edits are rendered from the original source image and not another raster like a tiff, jpg or any other bitmap source or copy.

4)Edits such as adjustments and filters are never baked in and users should be able to go back to change the setting of any of the filters or adjustments at any time after they have been applied them.

This what users here expect with dam/raw editors.

Another definition that's tossed around is a looser definition that applies to layer based raster editor such as Photoshop CC, Affinity Photo and Acorn 5 which are far superior to dam/raw editing for photo editing and can also do raster illustration, raster based graphics and limited vector illustration. This loose definition have characteristic #4 from above. That is the edits are not baked in and users may change the setting of any previous edits any time after the edits was applied. But are not fully non-destructive because the source PSD image file is getting change with these edits. The edits ARE NOT stored in a sidecar that is outside of the PSD and the source PSD is not read-only. Example of this loosely defined non-destructive editing:

1)Photoshop CC layer adjustment (also know by the same name in Affinity Photo and Acorn 5. Pixelmator does not have this!!).

2)Photoshop CC special object filters (Affinity Photo calls this live filters. Acorn 5 calls this layer style live filter. Pixelmator does not have this!!).

3)A through the layer stamp, heal and context aware fill is also considered non-destructive. Any editing process that resemble this also considered non-destructive.

Affinity Photo, Photoshop CC and Acorn 5 have significant number of non-destructive editing features. Pixelmator is a non-destructive. Pixelmator filters will bake in changes into the raster layer that's getting filter. If non-destructive editing is important to you, Pixelmator is not for you.

One way to know it's not non-destructive is you are require to revert to original to redo a adjustment, or filter. That's destructive editing!!! That is a major problem with Photos Extensions as well as Pixelmator where you need to save a copy layer as backup of the original to revert to or required to use undo to redo a filter.

Here's a strong, one sided opinion. Apple has treated musicians very well with quality apps like Logic Pro X, Music Memo, GarageBand and Logic Remote but has treated photographers in an opposite matter. Photos is sorely lacking for advanced users but at the same time, it's difficult to use for novice despite it's lack of functionality. Photos user has to do a lot of clicking to do anything. whether to view a map, face or do a simple edit. It's complicated to do the simplest thing and yet it is lacking in functionality at the same time which is really weird. Weird!!! Navigation in Photos is not good. It's not easy to find any thing.

Robert Ke
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by Krakatoa Sundra
December 12, 2015 - 5:49pm

I mostly concentrate on what i like. I understand Apple has drastically reduce the functionality and made it more difficult and confusing to use. I just concentrate on what i like about it. I mostly avoid using moment, collection, years and maps. The user has to do a lot clicks just to get to map and navigating through it all. why bother??? I mostly use “All Photo” (OS X) and “Camera Roll” (iOS).

I feel the native global adjustments are pretty good and in 95% of the time, that's all i need. i have a photo of  flowers using only native adjustments. ya ya, I already know I can make it marginally better with some local editing and for many of you, that's extremely important and I understand that.

Robert Ke
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by Krakatoa Sundra
December 12, 2015 - 8:26pm

i guess the pic does not  show without the right referral. Here's the link to it. 

https://twitter.com/rke21/status/675711738726207489

 

 

Robert Ke
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by studio460
December 12, 2015 - 9:33pm

Me too. (I do see your image). I’ve never used any of those features either. The only reason I’m switching to C1 is for its superior skin-tone rendering. However, I rarely shoot RAW files anyway, and for those times I do (e.g., client headshots), that’s when I’ll load-up C1.

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by Krakatoa Sundra
December 13, 2015 - 7:33am

How about trying Affinity Photo for your portraits? You can use frequency separation. Easier to do in Affinity Photo than in Photoshop CC. But if you need multiple level separation, then Gimp is the way to go.

Robert Ke
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by Krakatoa Sundra
December 19, 2015 - 5:41pm

Here's how the jpegs are saved with each photo extension edits.

admins-MacBook-Air:Photos Library.photoslibrary rke21$ du -a | grep -i 2332

49864    ./Masters/2015/12/12/20151212-135843/IMGK2332.PEF

16336    ./Previews/2015/12/12/20151212-135843/6BDThNV8QZiisSyMSs7tog/IMGK2332.jpg

0    ./private/com.apple.Photos/editsession/DE2BD9B3-99C1-423B-928A-0F6FEA050711.IMGK2332.jpg

0    ./private/com.apple.Photos/editsession/F40AB04D-3053-4418-9978-0BAD5A1065AB.IMGK2332.jpg

20224    ./resources/modelresources/108/81/lQGUldgdSi+cbeTXhYuANw/IMGK2332.jpg

11896    ./resources/modelresources/115/103/sgurNU%ISx686W0l%hhnEw/IMGK2332.jpg

11888    ./resources/modelresources/120/56/x8qKcKH9SSi+yGPdbz0N1Q/IMGK2332.jpg

11904    ./resources/modelresources/43/69/+EKaOUXfTt+LIGNNN8DwqA/IMGK2332.jpg

11880    ./resources/modelresources/55/49/7102GXe6QDSGqhMnHAlNcQ/IMGK2332.jpg

11904    ./resources/modelresources/82/78/RN+ETkmLTB+dDD13oj9CQQ/IMGK2332.jpg

 

Each edits are added to the resources/modelresources directory. 

I deleted one of the extension edits. That caused the all the extension edits to be reverted so it removes all the extension edits but leaves the native edits intact!!!! It's very strange!! When i delete one of the extension edits, Photos will delete all the extension edits for that photo. Weird!!!

Does anyone notice any kind of image degradation with extension editing???

Robert Ke
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by Maxy
August 22, 2017 - 9:35am

You edit this picture with just DxO’s OpticsPro? OMG, it is so incredible. It is very beautiful and seems easy to use. I’m using Photo Studio apk but I think I will try your app. It must be very interesting if I use both apps to edit to produce a wonderful photo. It will be a real art.

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