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How to Live Stream with ATEM Mini and Webcaster X2

Photo Moment - January 18, 2020

The Blackmagic ATEM Mini is an amazing little switcher, but it doesn't get you to the internet — for that, you need a streaming solution. Enter the Epiphan Webcaster X2!

IMPORTANT NOTE ABOUT THE X2

(March 24, 2020) Epiphan told me that the X2 is EOL (end of life) and they aren't manufacturing it any more. They did not expect the last manufacturing run of these to sell out so quickly — I'm sure the current health crisis has something to do with that. They wouldn't give me a time frame of when to expect anything to replace it, but I've know the company for a long time and while they have NOT said this to me (just making it clear that this is pure speculation), I am personally confident that they will replace it ASAP. The X2 was an excellent product with clear opportunity for improvement, and I don't see them ignoring this market. 

Timestamps (Chapters) for the Video

  • 0:56 Blackmagic ATEM Mini Recap
  • 2:21 Software vs Hardware; Advantages & Disadvantages of each
  • 4:10 Introducing the Epiphan Webcaster X2
  • 5:19 How to (and How Not to) Connect the Webcaster to the ATEM Mini
  • 7:02 Recording your Live Show
  • 7:44 Tabletop Gear Tour
  • 11:40 Configuring the ATEM Mini
  • 12:32 Configuring the Epiphan Webcaster X2
  • 17:02 A LIVE Broadcast Test!
  • 18:18 OBS Configuration Tips
  • 20:14 Measuring Audio Latency for OBS Programmable Delay

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Do you have a video about doing multi (moving) camera green screen and the program is used directly for live streaming to internet?
Not sure what you mean by "moving green screen"… green screens can't move because the lights would have to move with it.
@PhotoJoseph Sorry. I mean the camera is moving around. E.g. in a studio with people doing exercise/ballet and the cameras are moving following their movement.
That would be a HUGE green screen. You’re talking Hollywood level. I certainly have not done that ;-)
India...tell me more!
Full info at https://photojoseph.com/india — reservations on hold due to the global situation, but I'm still hopeful that things clear up by November
What about using hardware from Elgato and Epiphan for switching and recording?
yep!
Hey Joseph, Great info here. I use Atem mini with AJA Helo (hardware encoder) and I want to see if you have any suggestions for on the fly graphics solutions, i.e. creating lower thirds in the middle of a live show. I’ve tried using Photoshop, but it’s a very lengthy process, and I’m also experimenting with ecamm live hdmi out, but I feel like maybe there’s a better option out there.
Static lower thirds? Actually the photoshop option with the ATEM plugin is pretty amazing. You can push graphics from photoshop directly to air. I haven't done it with the Mini, but I'm 99% sure it works just like on the big ATEMs. I've never done a demo on that, but it'd be a good one. ecamm out then keying out the green has a lot of potential. I just played with that (trial version only) on my last live show and it worked pretty well. Probably could be awesome with some more tweaking.
@PhotoJoseph I've done ecamm hdmi out with luma key and it works great to the downstream keyer, however I have been encountering transparency issues when routing it to the upstream keyer, which I would prefer to use for the flying keys. I would love to see you explore these options! thanks for all the great content
How would you use your ATEM Mini to stream to two or more platforms at the same time? YouTube, Facebook and Instagram
you'd use a restreamer, like restream.io
Thanks for all the info! How would you compare this setup vs the new Atem mini pro with built in live streaming capabilities?
Considering you can't get the X2 anymore, I'd say the ATEM Mini Pro is the favorable option ;-) https://youtu.be/xecUpJ3u3Y4
Are you going to do a tutorial video like this for the ATEM Mini Pro?
I am! It’s sitting on my desk right now.
This is fantastic! Thank you so much:) How do I run my audio from Logic Pro X to sync with this setup? We are a live duo and need the reverb, piano/guitar inputs etc. I don't just want to send dry signal. Does that make sense?
you could send audio straight from the Mac into the audio line input on the ATEM Mini, or thorugh a small mixer
Sent in a “suggestion” to the dev team to add audio delay on inputs 1/2, got a response that it was being “passed along”.... here is hoping! I understand the newest firmware has helped with this as well....
yeah, they've heard it from all sides ;-)
Great video! I have a question. I want to set up for a studio environment. More of a unplugged session. Say a acoustic gtr, bass, percussionist, vocal(s) running through a board. Can I mix and take the outputs (L & R) of the board to the input(s) of, which would it be, mini or x2? Or would I need another piece of hardware. And could I still use 2 or 3 camera's? Thanks!...
You would want to run your audio through a proper AUDIO mixer, then feed that (with delay) into the ATEM Mini.
Can't find any ATEM mini's in stock anywhere....now very long wait times from blackmagic. Now that I'm teaching on-line from home (due to covid19) I need one of these to effectively deliver content to my students.
You and every other teacher, presenter, educator, etc. on the planet. Place your order now so you’re in line. Don’t wait for them to show up in stores to try to order one.
It looks like the new ATEM Mini Pro can now do all of these features internally.
That is correct! Amazing product: https://youtu.be/r4EMUwwMoVg
Excellent video! Thanks for sharing :)
Thanks for watching!
I read your death by powerpoint slide! Great stuff.
haha thanks!
Hi Joseph! Still high quality stuff posted! Congrats! :)
Unfortunately our last event we failed with Zoom to live on fb, so we are looking for a hardware solution. The Webcaster X2 is not available.
Can You recommend any other hardware instead? It's been very hard time find any of it in the same price range.
Thank for Your help! Greetings from Hungary! ;)
There's nothing else in this price range. It's very frustrating… I really wish Epiphan had made a lot more of these!!
You just sold me on the AYEM Mini. Even though I saw your previous video about the ATEM Mini, now I completely realize how it can be integrated into a more powerful system. Thank you very much.
Right on! And now there's the ATEM Mini Pro… which is just incredible, and basically is the combination of this Mini and the X2, plus even more. https://youtu.be/r4EMUwwMoVg
Can this stream to Vimeo Live or be configured to stream to a generic RTMP?
generic RTSP, yes. Vimeo Live, not directly but via RTSP, yes.
@PhotoJoseph So I own an atem mini and you can stream to any platform including fb live by selecting the camera option instead of doing a stream key. The disadvantage in fb live's case is that fb premiere partners are allowed to stream in 1080p. So with the atem mini you can only stream in 720p but if you added the webcaster x2 from what i'm gathering from fb and other companies is you can now stream in 1080p to fb live.
I'm a little confused… you can't stream from the ATEM Mini alone. You have to have either a computer running software like OBS or using YouTube's "webcam" feature (I don't know if Facebook has a webcam streaming feature as well), or hardware like the X2. If Facebook Partners have the ability to stream at 1080p then I don't know how that's accessed, but since you can definitely stream to FB using RTSP then I don't see why it'd matter what solution you used.
Thank you. I’ve ordered the ATEM mini thanks to this video, to use with my gh5. Not sure when it will arrive though, due to current world circumstances. In light of this, I’m looking at interim capture card solutions, and to complicate this, I’m looking to help a friend setup a live steam setup with my old Gh4. Trying to make it user friendly for him, giving him my 70d and beachtek, in the hope of capturing decent audio for the stream. Now comes the question...thanks for listening so far, and let me say that I’ve just watched and somewhat absorbed your thoughts on live-streaming with a YAGH. There’s a YAGH for sale for $600 AUD here, and I’m wondering if that would give the best audio, with more reliable hdmi output than the small gh4 hdmi jack, allowing me to power, along with the gh4, with ac power. Getting a bit complex, I guess I’m asking if the YAGH is much more solid as a steaming device as compared to the gh4/beachtek/mini hdmi setup. AC power seems king to me for this person...9v rechargeable don’t. Thanks for your time mate...love your work, I can sleep happy now that I’ve asked....who am I kidding, brain is buzzing! Andrew, Sydney
Hi Andrew. AUD$600 seems like a lot for a YAGH considering how old the camera is (I'm not looking at prices, just referencing what it seems like it should be worth). So you're trying to address three things; power, XLR and a bigger HDMI port, right? You're correct that you'll have all these things in the YAGH, but…

Power can be addressed with a very inexpensive dummy battery solution, like this: https://geni.us/Y0Vl3T

HDMI is certainly nice to have a bigger more solid port, but since the camera won't be moving, I'd say a little gaff tape will hold it in place and you'll be fine.

XLR is the bigger one. What mic solution are you using? One of the reasons I went XLR was so I could have a mic that doesn't require a battery. (This is the one I have, by the way https://geni.us/gwNRtIi ). You can certainly get a good quality mic that plugs into the 3.5mm jack that'll work great for a webcam setup, but if you, like me, didn't want to have to worry about batteries, then XLR is a good way to go. So now even if you do go the Beachtek route, that's still only like USD$150 right, so still quite a lot cheaper.

The YAGH certainly adds convenience, but it may be a bit overpriced for what you're trying to achieve.

You didn't say how you're converting HDMI to USB, which is also a challenge to buy today. One other advantage of the YAGH is that it converts HDMI to SDI, and you may have an easier time finding SDI to USB converters.

Good luck!
PhotoJoseph Thanks so much for that detailed response mate, really appreciate that. I did in fact buy the YAGH- I made an offer of $400 on eBay and to my surprise they accepted. About $240 USD. I’m trying to gift a high quality studio setup to an old friend who will rely on live streaming multiple times a week for their business, but live-streaming from a small apartment, where the tripod will no doubt be moved back an forward. I had a beachtek to offer, but the battery exchanging was one more step I was trying to avoid. I probably could’ve/should’ve though, but it’s done now. Manage to find a nutty professor to wire me up an ac adapter, geez Panasonic. I liked the idea of the sd adapter too, but I wasn’t sure of the frame rate options for a pal region, particularly 1080p 25fps. I have a elgato, a Magewell, and an ATEM mini on order, the last one thanks to you. That looks exciting. Hopefully it all arrives shortly, and I can join the world of live streaming. I’m sure I’ll have some question then, but you’ve spoken so much about the yagh, I will be sure to revisit those. Love your work, thanks again! Andrew- Sydney
Good luck with it all!
You are a Genious!
LOL, I know many who'd disagree, but I'll take it!! 😂
Thank you!
you're welcome!
When you switch between different videos. Does it only provide the audio picked up that mic?
audio can follow video or it can be locked on any/all channels. Watch the main video if you want the full lowdown https://youtu.be/5W5xiaEhK9M
If you wanted to set up two inputs with wireless HDMI is there a way to accommodate for the delay with the BM atem mini?
Unfortunately the audio can not be programmed to a specific delay. I would recommend using the Behringer Shark as it's the most affordable hardware I know of that'll do the programmable delay. https://geni.us/VePn
Great video as usual from Joseph. Too bad that there are no ATEM Minis for sale anywhere in the country, and Webcaster X2 is discontinued.
Yeah… the ATEMs sold out because of the current health crisis and the X2 was discontinued but also not supposed to sell out this quickly!
Webcaster X2 has been discontinued.
Yeah, this is a bummer. I just heard back from Epiphan about this. Basically the product is EOL (end of life) and they aren't manufacturing any more. They did not expect the last manufacturing run of these to sell out so quickly — I'm sure the COVID experience had something to do with that. They wouldn't give me a time frame of when to expect anything to replace it, but I've know the company for a long time and while they have NOT said this to me (just making it clear that this is pure speculation), I am personally confident that they will replace it ASAP. The X2 was an excellent product with clear opportunity for improvement, and I don't see them ignoring this market.
Thanks for putting this together.
my pleasure! This was a fun one.
So the X2 is totally discontinued, any further thoughts?
Yeah, this is a bummer. I just heard back from Epiphan about this. Basically the product is EOL (end of life) and they aren't manufacturing any more. They did not expect the last manufacturing run of these to sell out so quickly — I'm sure the COVID experience had something to do with that. They wouldn't give me a time frame of when to expect anything to replace it, but I've know the company for a long time and while they have NOT said this to me (just making it clear that this is pure speculation), I am personally confident that they will replace it ASAP. The X2 was an excellent product with clear opportunity for improvement, and I don't see them ignoring this market.
AJA Helo... which also add recording to usb or xd cards
Joseph I noted the comment in this review 13:00 that the image is crushed and contrasty because of the output chosen by the device. I'm not sure if this is refering to YouTube output or using it on other software.
https://youtu.be/GEZBlE9VBXg
He's talking about the compression on the USB-C output. The best quality will be coming out of the HDMI port. I didn't realize this when I made the video which is why I did not discuss it. You will see a slight video difference if compare the two, but I'd hardly call it bad.
@PhotoJoseph thanks for the reply that clears it up for me.
great!
Great video! I've been using the x2 for a couple of years now and found your video while studying the ATEM mini wondering if it would hook up to the X2, you answered my questions. That Death to Photoshop was touching, too.
you mean "death by powerpoint"? ;-) And thansk!
@PhotoJoseph Yes, oops! my bad.
😄
If the web cam output is supposed to look like a web cam to the computer...isnt the X2 an un-nessesary expense...just go through the laptop...
You clearly didn’t actually watch the video, or you’d know the answer to that question.
@PhotoJoseph You can stream without the X2....just us the laptop.....save the $$$
Did you WATCH the video?
@PhotoJoseph yes I did...much good information...I love the mini and ordered one from BH...
Great. I'm asking because you keep insisting the X2 is unnecessary. I made it quite clear that it's not NECESSARY but that it offers certain advantages.
What do you think about using an HDMI splitter if I didn't want to rely on an HDMI recorder to pass through to the live stream? Is it worse to have a stream come from a splitter or cheap recorder?
Only way to answer that is with testing but I'd expect a quality splitter (not the kind of crap you see at a Best Buy where they distribute the same signal to 100 TVs and they all look like junk), but a real broadcast splitter, would be just fine.
I've got a question, I'd be after one with USB3 input (and not for Twitch only), so that I can plug the ATEM Mini in via USB. The idea being that I can set up the ATEM Mini and then just go live to the hardware encoding device, while also having a monitor. I saw the Epiphan Pearl Mini but that retails for about £3'000. Do you know of any cheaper alternatives?
keep in mind a USB input for streaming on any hardware may not work — it's data, not video (I mean it's all data, but unlike HDMI), so you may NEED the computer to convert it to a video stream. I'm somewhat guessing here but I've yet to see a solution that will work that way. YOu have to use the HDMI from the ATEM. Also the HDMI is a better quality signal, and you can always split it using an HDMI splitter to send it to multiple destinations.
@PhotoJoseph Hi Joseph. Thanks for the reply. I had seen the Epiphan Pearl Mini as I mentioned previously, I figured it would work as the ATEM Mini uses something like UVC (basically, the same/very similar USB codec that webcams like the Logitech use). So I figured it might work. But I'd be wanting to use the preview mode, and I remember you saying the USB -> HDMI way didn't work with the X2. So not sure what my options are there that aren't "Use a computer"
But why can't you use the HDMI output from the Mini?
@PhotoJoseph I'd be wanting to use the HDMI for the preview before I go on to that view (say to make sure a box is in the right place before opening it, etc). So I can't use preview as you've stated over HDMI.
Ah, OK. Yeah that makes it tough. Sounds like you need a bigger ATEM.
Great video. I believe the USB output is 2.0, not 3.0. That's how it's listed on the BM website, and I realized after first using mine that I was only using a USB 2.0 cable.

Do you think the encoder would handle that? Or is that something you tested?
Wow that's fascinating… you're right. The website does say 1 x USB Type-C 2.0. Well, the encoder definitely can't handle it (I've tried, as has Epiphan), but that's a curious point indeed!
Thanks for all the great info. I am seeing some conflicting info regarding the USB-C out. Others have indicated that the webcam compatible output is recognized by YouTube without the need for additional hardware/software. You are saying otherwise. What’s the scoop on that?
I’m not saying otherwise. I’m saying that you’ll get a better quality signal if you’re using a hardware encoder. The computer sees the ATEM as a webcam. Any app that sees a webcam (Skype, FaceTime, GoToMeeting, Zoom) should see the ATEM, likely including YouTube’s new “stream from a webcam” feature.
@PhotoJoseph "Now the ATEM Mini as you probably already know is not a complete live streaming solution. It handles all the camera switching but does not then get that signal up to the Internet. For that you need software like OBS on the computer or hardware like this Epiphan Webcaster X2" Sorry I don't mean to be overly critical. Your information is fantastic, I just found this part a bit confusing. Thanks for clarifying.
Right… the extra hardware at that point would be the computer and the software would be YouTube and your browser. My point is that the ATEM is not an encoder. The encoding and publishing to the internet has to happen somewhere, and in what you're describing, that's the computer it's attached to.
Nice Video. thanks. Also, Nice Yellow on Blue. it does hurt the eyes.
haha but did you READ it? ;-)
Please question.
Is MEVO PLUS or MEVO START CAMERA better?
I am interested in the resolution and quality of the image or video of the TWO TWO CAMERA MODELS. Thank you
I did a video on the new MEVO Start — You should watch that. They are different; one is not necessarily better than the other. https://youtu.be/O1s1X3F6QBU
Hi! Great video! I have a question, can I use the Atem mini with a canon 6d, a canon 60d and a sony a73? Thanks!
as long as they have clean HDMI out, then yes you can. Otherwise you'll have camera info on screen. Just connect each camera to any HDMI TV to test, and if you see camera menu info, dig into the settings to try to find a way to turn it off!
How can I prevent my camera settings from being visible?
you need a camera that has clean HDMI out. Not all do; check your HDMI (or TV) output settings. Cheapest camera I know of that does it is the LUMIX G7 https://geni.us/E3hOgKB
hey joseph, lets say you use an external audio interface in OBS with condenser mics instead of the atem MINI audio inputs, will i be able to get a good audio snyc to the video from the cameras ? i have two AKG c214 and a focusrite scarlett 2i2 and the black magic pocket 4k. all i want is to have one good video source and two microphones, nothing fancy - (im not even that worried about streaming live)
yeah, OBS has its own audio sync-shift, so you should be fine.
@PhotoJoseph ok awesome. if you use an hdmi from the camera it doesnt try to pick up the cameras microphone instead ?
yes it does, however in the ATEM you control which audio you use. You can choose audio from any/all/none of the HDMI inputs (even if that camera isn't live, the audio can still come from it), and/or you can use the audio from the two Mic inputs.
Can i stream YouTube n FB video together?
Not directly however if you use a restream service like restream.io then yes you can
Do you have any idea on how to sync cams that are out of sync with the Atem Mini?
Sync video? Yikes… no, actually. If you’re getting enough of a difference that you can see it, then ditch that camera. Like the GoPro… way too much delay. If you’re talking about syncing AUDIO, the cheapest tool I’ve seen that has programmable audio delay is the Behringer Shark https://geni.us/VePn
So technically the Webcaster 2X makes me eliminate ElGato Cam Link 4K? I am buying the Blackmagic ATEM, the Allen &. Heath Zedi 10 mixer and Epiphany Webcaster 2X...do I need anything else? I have mike, computer, 4 cameras, lights and the rest...all I need to know is how to do something professional...besides that, I need to learn how to add the scores, teams, rosters, etc...if anyone can help is greatly appreciated!
Hey Joseph Rivera I'm going to address this on the next LIVE show, at 10am Pacific Wednesday 2020-03-04 at https://youtu.be/reQNkhCEiP8 — hopefully you can watch live, and if not, catch the replay for the answer!
Hey Joseph, I addressed your question as promised in the live stream. I did NOT get to the part of adding scores and so-on, but I'm quite sure that's something you can do through OBS. Sorry, no experience there though.
Dope content. Watched this video twice and took down some notes.
Sweet! That’s what I like to hear!
Hi Joseph, So the x2 can not stream to Periscope?
Not directly. But if you use a restream service like reastream.io you can get to Periscope. I don't know why it's not supported directly; I'd ask Epiphan if that's something that's important to you!
@PhotoJoseph Thanks Joseph if you could talk to them because periscope/twitter in my market is something not to ignore.
I'll mention it but they should hear it from you direct. The more they hear it, the better
@PhotoJoseph Thanks
Lot of great info.
Thank you
If you have a powerful computer (gaming computer) then you will not have a problem with software. If you are using a computer with low specs then you can run into problems. Hardware can also give problems so having hardware does not guarantee success or long term success.
That’s certainly fair that hardware doesn’t guarantee success, and it’s also true that software is better on a powerful computer. BUT software tries to be too complex offering too many features and in my experience (of which I have a fair amount), software will eventually always fail. And it’ll fail spectacularly. I’m thrilled that it works for some people but I would never recommend it for a serious streaming setup.
Excellent video. Amazing gadgets with impressive features. Well explained. Subscribed.
Thank you kindly!
I built this exact set up. Thanks to your videos. I am struggling to find a good HDMI recorder. Any recommendations I am shooting a cheap Canon 800. I am mostly going to be doing sporting events.
Check out this video — this chap tried a couple of cheap HDMI recorders before settling on one: https://youtu.be/lARJfXB3Z0Q
When placing the Atomos in between the Atem and Webcaster do I have to change the output setting on the Atomos to allow the Webaster to support the signal or does it automatically adapt? Hope my question makes sense. I am not the most tech inclined lol, thanks!
It should automatically adapt, but you do have some control over that as well.
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Uh, no?
I’m deleting your post with your phone number; you really should not post that publicly. I don’t give out my number and if you want to book a support session with me you can do that at PhotoJoseph.com/1to1
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Does the x2 allow you to stream through restream.io so that you can hit all three major platforms at the same time?

It sure does! You can stream to RTSP from the X2.

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