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December 20, 2015 - 3:54pm

This first 200 session is a kick-off discussion. I will share some basic ideas and thoughts towards your migration path. Believe me this is something I've spent a LOT of time thinking about, and have struggled with the best way to communicate the options. Lightroom certainly isn't for everybody — but it's what I've chosen for my professional work, and I'm still wrapping my head around it. If we waited until I was totally set we'd be waiting another year. So let's just get this thing going.

This discussion will be a very broad broach of the topic “where to go from Aperture?”. There's no one answer, and the same answer isn't right for everybody. This “Session 200” won't just be about Lightroom — I'll be addressing other options, and hopefully helping guide listeners towards making the right decision for themselves. As the 200 series continues though, it will be about Lightroom.

For those who watched live, thanks for joining. As you saw I still am having some audio challenges, so I've had to remove the like Skype call-in from the re-broadcast (the audio levels were just too different). 

 

 

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Intermediate
App:
Adobe Lightroom Classic (pre-CC) Apple Aperture Apple Photos for macOS mylio
Author:
PhotoJoseph

Joseph,  Nice introductory review/discussion.  As you know I dove in head first and migrated all of my Aperture Library into Lightroom this past January. I decided to go all in with the 800 lb gorilla. My photo library was not as large as yours by a long shot. My Aperture Library still exists and I will still use it to access older photos on occasion, but i’m approaching the end of my first year using Lr. I am very much interested in your Aperture User Approach to using Lr, especially how you use Collections, Collection Sets, etc.  Right now when I import, I use my (adopted from your set up) Aperture-like structure placing the photos in the Folder section.  I then cull and make my star ratings and picks and then move them into a Collection Set to begin to work on them and further select my favorites, etc placing them in sub-collections within the set.  I also have several Smart Collection, some of them carry overs from my Aperture Smart Albums. I will be very interested to see how you’ve come to use Lr. Here’s how my set up looks like.

Florian Cortese
www.fotosbyflorian.com

I'm using Collections as a primary organization, largely replicating the methods in Aperture. Takes some extra steps but it's working. You'll see soon :-)

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Florian Cortese
www.fotosbyflorian.com

Enjoyed the talk but was disappointed that you didn’t mention DxO software (you only mentioned their camera).  One shortcoming I have heard about LR is that imports are very slow.  Is one solution to  import directly into DxO, have it do the automatic lens corrections etc., and then have LR tweak and organize the images?

GD Rothenberg

GD, I think everyone who uses Lr is not happy with their slow import process and Adobe is aware of this, I am sure.  Just look at any of the Lr blogs and they are constantly bombarded with this complaint.  There are many software products that can be used to circumvent this but it requires purchasing another piece of software.  The preceding Tips  article discusses using On1’s browse as such a vehicle.  Browse also has some basic adjustment functions but they are not as powerful as Lr’s.  In some of the comments you will find a simple test on a small number of photos imported done by me that cut the Lr import process in half by simply copying your photos that you are going to import to a temporary folder on your HD desktop and then when importing into Lr chose the MOVE option.  DxO looks like a great and powerful tool but if I am not mistaken, is not really a great DAM product and is costly ($129-199 on a quick look at their web page)) although there is a 50% discount Christmas sale at the present time. Joseph, clearly mentioned  in the video that as a working professional he simply did not have the time to look at all of the various software programs out there.  In the end, each of us has a unique need for a workflow that works for us. With all of th software tools out there to choose from, we all need to do research and evaluate what is best for our own workflow and needs.  Cheers and Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays 

Florian

Florian Cortese
www.fotosbyflorian.com

thanks for your comprehensive reply.  The reason I mentioned DxO is because Joseph is fond of the product and has done some videos for the company.  From what he later wrote me, I infer that he didn’t talk about it because it doesn’t have a DAM component, which you also highlighted.  Because I do a lot of Photo books, I will have to use either Photos or LR as my DAM.  I’m trying to work DxO as my front end to do the basic lens corrections and exposure adjustments.  In the meantime, I’m doing exactly what Joseph recommends: keep using Aperture until it breaks.  

GD Rothenberg

GD,

DxO Optics Pro is not a DAM. It's an excellent raw processor and I do use it in my workflow, and will certainly continue to discuss. However it is not a tool for managing your photos. 

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Hi Joseph,

Just wanted to inform you the audio in this video was much better then the Live Broadcast. I am sure you will get the Live Broadcast audio issue resolved and look forward to them. Always looking how others use LR in their workflow. Cheers!

I cranked the levels way up in post. Which is why I had to drop the Skype part; the difference between the two sources was too great to do anything with. I'm getting closer. Will nail it sooner or later :-)

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I initially tried Lightroom when Apple pulled the plug on Aperture.  Then I found Capture One and never went back to Lightroom.  I feel the image quality is superior and the overall organization/DAM is similar to Aperture.  Capture One is Aperture, but with layers and perspective control!  C1 is the standard used by commercial photographers.  Here is a link: https://www.phaseone.com/en/Products/Software/Capture-One-Pro/Highlights…

Joseph: your 200-series-introduction was a very useful starting point  for thinking about options on how to move from aperture. Thanks.

Joseph, you are such a calm voice of reason. I can’t even begin to thank you for presenting your experience for our consumption! I am in the throes of moving from managed to referenced, and I thought my next step would be creating Photos libraries. After listening to your video, I’m going to take your advice and start fresh. I’ll probably go to LR because it is Adobe, and I use Photoshop and other Adobe programs. 

Thanks again.

Hello.  I watched the video just now and found that the audio is unhearable.  And idea?  Many thanks.

Winkins, I just tried and the audio was fine me (7/28/2016).

Oh, I just tried again with Chrome and iPhone, both are unhearable with r, ch, ss … don’t know why.

Wilkins, wow — thanks for this. Extremely odd that this happened here but I do know why. Plug in headphones and you'll hear it, or watch on anything wtih stereo speakers (like an iPad Pro). I ran into this with an earlier video but can't believe no one commented on it before on this one. It's phase cancelation when reducing to mono; at this early point in my studio setup I had a redundant audio channel that was wreaking havoc. Apparently this video was never fixed. I'll replace the file with a new version ASAP but for now, headphones will do the trick. And if they don't… let me know!!!

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FYI: Listening again, the mono does sound weird, but I can hear it on my iMac.

Indeed, headphones do fix it.  Many thanks.

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